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    Bold: read.
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    50. Embassytown
    49. Zoo City
    48. The Windup Girl
    47. Uplift: Book 1: Sundiver
    46. The Reality Dysfunction
    45. Cat's Cradle
    44. SF Masterworks: The Difference Engine
    43. SF Masterworks: Centauri Device
    42. The Drowned World
    41. SF Masterworks: Pavane
    40. Make Room! Make Room!
    39. The Player Of Games
    38. Altered Carbon
    37. SF Masterworks: Dying Inside
    36. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: The Trilogy Of Four

    35. SF Masterworks: Blood Music
    34. S.F. Masterworks: Lord Of Light
    33. SF Masterworks: Rendezvous With Rama

    32. Zones Of Thought: A Fire Upon The Deep & A Deepness In The Sky
    31. Mars: Book 1: Red Mars
    30. SF Masterworks: Ubik
    29. Fahrenheit 451
    28. The Death Of Grass
    27. SF Masterworks: Inverted World
    26. SF Masterworks: The Female Man
    25. SF Masterworks: Helliconia: Hellonica Spring, Helliconia Summer, & Helliconia Winter
    24. S.F. Masterworks: I Am Legend
    23. Day Of The Triffids
    22. War Of The Worlds
    21. The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress
    20. A Canticle For Leibowitz
    19. Ender's Game

    18. Snow Crash
    17. Foundation
    16. S.F. Masterworks: The Stars My Destination

    15. SF Masterworks: Flowers For Algernon
    14. SF Masterworks: Stand On Zanzibar
    13. Left Hand Of Darkness
    12. S.F. Masterworks: Babel 17
    11. Ringworld
    10. SF Masterworks: Timescape
    9. Childhood's End
    8. The Man In The High Castle
    7. S.F. Masterworks: Gateway
    6. SF Masterworks: Dispossed
    5. SF Masterworks: The Demolished Man
    4. Neuromancer
    3. Fantasy Masterworks: Book Of The New Sun Book 1 & Shadow & Claw Book 1
    2. S.F. Masterworks: The Forever War
    1. Dune

    An odd list in places. What the heck is Sundiver doing on there? It's probably Brin's weakest novel. Startide Rising and The Uplift War are comprehensively superior on every level (they're also festooned with awards and critical praise, whilst Sundiver isn't).

    I'm also really confused by their eligibility criteria. Why just the first half of The Book of the New Sun when the four volumes really do form one continuous story? Why not the omnibus of all four? And why the first four HHGTTG books when it's a five-book series but only the first two have widespread acclaim? Also, The Wind-Up Girl seems to be as much hated and loathed as it is acclaimed, which makes it an odd book to put in there, and Foundation being so high definitely makes the list questionable (it hasn't aged well at all).

    Also, isn't Harrison's Light a lot more critically-acclaimed than The Centauri Device (which I believe the author has disowned)?

    Also, no Beggars in Spain or Doomsday Book? And Timescape really isn't so good as to warrant a Top 10 spot.

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    I'm not seeing Hyperion on that list. List has no credibility if that's the case. I think Hyperion is on most people's top 10 list, let alone top 50. Just sayin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeyye View Post
    I'm not seeing Hyperion on that list. List has no credibility if that's the case. I think Hyperion is on most people's top 10 list, let alone top 50. Just sayin...
    LOL, Hyperion probably would not make my top 100.

    But Neuromancer would not make it either.

    I am reading Diamond Age now. I think it is better than Snow Crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeyye View Post
    I'm not seeing Hyperion on that list. List has no credibility if that's the case. I think Hyperion is on most people's top 10 list, let alone top 50. Just sayin...
    Ha! No chance.

    Nor Neuromancer as psi says..

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    Like all these lists, they're there for discussion often as much as being seen as a 'quality' list.

    I'd agree with what was said above though: Timescape is a lot higher than I'd put it, I think Doomsday Book should be in there myself. Think there should be a Bujold in there myself, and Hyperion, if not Endymion.

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    Just for comparison purposes, here is my top 10 SF books:

    Top 10 SF:
    In no particular order after the first two.

    Dhalgren - Samueal R. Delany
    Foundation Trilogy - Issac Asimov
    Dune - Frank Herbert
    City - Clifford D. Simak
    Stranger in a Strange Land - Robert A. Heinlein
    The Road - Cormac McCarthy
    Ringworld - Larry Niven
    The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury
    Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula K. LeGuin
    The Handmaids Tale - Margaret Atwood

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    With the exception of The Road, and possibly The Handmaid's Tale, kenny, that list of yours would be fairly typical of a list 20-30 years ago.

    And see: Dhalgren! Just goes to show...

    Perhaps I should give it another read....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    With the exception of The Road, and possibly The Handmaid's Tale, kenny, that list of yours would be fairly typical of a list 20-30 years ago.

    And see: Dhalgren! Just goes to show...

    Perhaps I should give it another read....

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    Ha! Well, the good ones never get old.

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    LOL.

    But it does suggest that for a book to be regarded as a classic it needs to have been around (and read) for a while.

    I'm not sure those last three would be on my list in 30 years time....

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    Well, yeah, inherent in the definition of "A Classic" is a book that stands the test of time (e.g. is still relevant to readers over time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennychaffin View Post
    Well, yeah, inherent in the definition of "A Classic" is a book that stands the test of time (e.g. is still relevant to readers over time).
    Yeah, classic means OLD. Nothing less than 10 years old should be called "classic".

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    Last edited by psikeyhackr; May 13th, 2012 at 10:21 AM.

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    Although I've read more than 350 science fiction novels, I never do well on the "top" lists. These are the only ones I've read on this particular list:

    33. SF Masterworks: Rendezvous With Rama
    32. Zones Of Thought: A Fire Upon The Deep
    30. SF Masterworks: Ubik
    29. Fahrenheit 451
    19. Ender's Game
    17. Foundation
    11. Ringworld
    9. Childhood's End
    8. The Man In The High Castle
    4. Neuromancer
    1. Dune

    Neuromancer was the only one listed above that I disliked. I have no idea why so many people love Neuromancer; it was not written well. I only read it because one of my cousins insisted it was good.

    Ubik was the first novel I read by Philip K. Dick. It was recommended to me by the same cousin that recommended Neuromancer. I don't understand how someone can simultaneously like Ubik and Neuromancer; the latter makes no sense and the former is pure genius.

    Rendezvous with Rama was for a long time one of my favorite science fiction novels. After having read the Orbitsville trilogy, though, my opinion has changed. Rama is not all that great when compared to Orbitsville, mainly due to the superior characterization. However, the sequels to Rama did improve upon characterization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quark Cognition View Post
    Neuromancer was the only one listed above that I disliked. I have no idea why so many people love Neuromancer; it was not written well.
    Damn straight! And there are SO MANY websites that quote the first line from that book. DUH?

    The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel.
    http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2004/1...ars-on-top.asp
    http://butdoesitfloat.com/The-sky-ab...uned-to-a-dead
    http://www.metafilter.com/93348/Its-...ary-tiger-sigh

    Google says 500,000 results.

    WTF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by psikeyhackr View Post
    Damn straight! And there are SO MANY websites that quote the first line from that book. DUH?



    http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2004/1...ars-on-top.asp
    http://butdoesitfloat.com/The-sky-ab...uned-to-a-dead
    http://www.metafilter.com/93348/Its-...ary-tiger-sigh

    Google says 500,000 results.

    WTF!

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    An excellent opening line in my opinion. What is your objection to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitmouse View Post
    An excellent opening line in my opinion. What is your objection to it?
    Agreed. Though it is a bit anachronistic in the analog TV reference. And not nearly as good as the opening line of Varley's Steel Beach.

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