Thread: Replacing the hated “warp drive”
August 6th, 2012, 04:37 AM #61
A theory can be tested. A speculation hasn't even gotten to that point.
Real science is figuring out the unknown not making a big deal about the known. Even is quantum tunneling can work that does not mean it can work with macroscopic objects. So all FTL methods in fiction are over the line into the UNKNOWN. They may all be IMPOSSIBLE. So a writer can either make a good story with one of them or not.
Originally Posted by Steven L Jordan
none of which can be extrapolated from current scientific theories or experimentation.
August 6th, 2012, 10:26 AM #62
August 7th, 2012, 09:33 AM #63
August 7th, 2012, 10:08 AM #64
My opinion is that, though we can't account for everything, I would still lean towards what is most likely. I think he and I disagree on that point (or, perhaps, exactly what is most likely).
August 7th, 2012, 03:21 PM #65
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August 7th, 2012, 09:08 PM #67
Ah, there's the psikey we know. Psikey, please do not bring up the subject we told you not to bring up any more.
August 7th, 2012, 09:36 PM #68
August 7th, 2012, 09:56 PM #69
August 8th, 2012, 09:20 AM #70
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August 8th, 2012, 07:07 PM #72
I never do understand discusions like this. What is "impossible"? Any novel is full of "impossible" things, because the people portrayed do not and did not exist, or if they perchance did exist, did not do the things portrayed. That is why we invented the word fiction. Fiction is imagined untruths portrayed as if true.
Science fiction is fiction in which some of the things portrayed are not possible within the world as we currently understand it, but are nonetheless presented as in accordance with the world of natural law as those in the tale understand it. There is, so far as I can see, zero necessity to construct an explicit, readily comprehensible bridge between our current understanding of the laws of nature and that of the world within the tale. Indeed, any such bridge is itself a fiction, by definition.
So you either have to write "science fiction" stories in which nothing whatever happens that is not within our present understanding of the laws of nature, which is possible but extremely cramping and needlessly limiting, or you have to just accept some handwaving--which is fine, unless the handwaving happens to be essential to the core of the tale (which is rare indeed).
Fiction is a way of exploring the human condition and of expanding our individual experiences of Life, the Universe, and Everything, of living lives and having experiences impossible within the scope of our real, constrained lives. "Warp drives" or the numerous variants thereof (from inertialess drives to hyperspace) are, as someone said, just the equivalent of automobiles in contemporary settings or sailing ships in historical settings. There may be nut cases who read historical fiction and go postal if the exact details of the sail construction are not set forth in excrutiating detail, but they are just that: nut cases. The vast majority of readers want only this from the tale: to know what happened to whom and how they reacted to it.
And to presume that our present knowledge of the laws of nature somehow bounds or limits what we might be able to do in a mere century (look at history, and consider the concept of geometric growth), much less a millennium or so, seems--to me, at least--flat-out blind.
Last edited by owlcroft; August 8th, 2012 at 11:48 PM. Reason: fix garbled sentence
August 11th, 2012, 04:09 PM #73
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You know I was wondering why so few had even thought of this.I was actually talking with my father about this subject, about how humans could accomplish such a feat by the grace of science alone and this was the eventual answer we reached.
August 12th, 2012, 01:59 PM #74
August 12th, 2012, 05:35 PM #75
This entire conversation has been rather meta, and unsatisfying. There are some tense moments, polarized positions, and little headway made by anyone. owlcroft expresses some of the same misgivings in his post.
At this point I'd suggest to create another thread altogether, with a similar subject but different premise.
(Take this suggestion as you like.)