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Thread: Reboot the Biosphere Project?
September 2nd, 2012, 04:44 PM #16
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September 4th, 2012, 03:01 PM #20
But we don't have quantum computers yet. We want a system that is capable of being constructed and operating now, with current knowledge and technology... or, at least, to be able to set the groundwork for a system that will be workable in the near future. We can't depend on the next generation of computing that doesn't exist yet... we might as well wait for Val.
September 4th, 2012, 06:49 PM #21
I heard from a good source, thinking machines exists behind closed doors.
With brain capacity like this, AI will be used in more applications than just robots. They will be advanced problem solvers.
I studied electronics and electrical engineering in college. I had a whole class in designing control systems for machines. What Hugo de Garis is talking about by the year 2020 is very possible. He is an AI electronic brain designer.
You have to realize that a biosphere is one big machine that will be artificially built in need of a nervous system. And, this is the system that can control it and regulate it.
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September 5th, 2012, 01:14 PM #22
I'm not too impressed with the usual "Moore's Law" and "robots will be smarter than us by Tuesday" statements. For one thing, even quantum computers will be simple bit-flippers. Computational quality keeps getting compared to human intellectual capacity, but the human brain is not a bit-flipper; it's orders of magnitude more complex than that, and a computer, quantum or otherwise, can only hope to approximate the storage and recall attributes of the human brain.
A full living environment such as a Biosphere is still so much more complex than even a quantum computer would be able to control, right down to the cellular level. Breaking a variable 512-bit code would be child's play in comparison. A very limited and substantially-artificial environment would probably be within a quantum computer's ability... but again, we don't have them yet. We only have theories and test-beds, nothing ready for prime-time. Theories aside, we don't know when we will have practical quantum computers, and until we have them, we won't know exactly how we can apply them.
For now, we need a Biosphere model that can be controlled by existing automation and human assistance in a closed environment. Discussing quantum computers at this point is extremely premature and even counter-productive (since they do not as yet exist to apply to the problem).
September 6th, 2012, 07:39 AM #23
I am naturally skeptical of the claims about what exists behind closed doors. Back in the 80's I used to work behind some of those doors. You would be less than impressed. Rumors and speculation far exceed what is actually going on.
I worked on the Autonomous Land Vehicle project for General Dynamics, and we were supposed to produce a self guiding tank that could without human intervention cross overland, assess threats and carry out missions (read blow stuff up) by 1989. I told my manager that there would have to be several dozen revolutionary breakthroughs for that to even have a chance. I was told 'Work all the overtime you need then, we will pay it'. My respons was 'you were not listening to me were you?'
So I am unimpressed based on in-person experience.
So lets do something actually possible, start from the very smallest closed living system ecosystem we have and start scaling up. Every time something breaks we learn new stuff and can start trying again. Compared to the original Biosphere project that Steven brought up this would be a very cheap one.
September 6th, 2012, 07:52 AM #24
I'm not. I've had to sign nondisclosure agreements to be involved with products before they were released to the public.
Dr. Kaku is also one of my old college Physics professors from 30 years ago.
I know engineers involved with AI who told me what we see on television and the movies on AI is outdated AI. We have thinking machines.
Every year within the last few years, top universities and colleges are holding annual conferences on The Singularity and the two experts I presented here are guest speakers.
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September 18th, 2012, 11:32 AM #25