October 13th, 2012, 12:04 PM #31
I have to agree with you about the castles - I live near Norwich and only have to pop into town to see a nice big Norman castle. Yes they cost a fortune to build, but lords were rich. Like pro footballer rich, comparatively. There were castles all over the place in Norman England.
October 13th, 2012, 05:08 PM #32
October 13th, 2012, 05:15 PM #33
Which is more than Catholicism ever did for the elves.
niche formerly occupied by sci-fi in which square-jawed men with ray-guns saved screaming ladies in space bikinis from bug-eyed monsters,
a market that's supposedly all about imagination.
there's no word to describe that except "lazy"
In any other genre, this would be a joke.
And that, I'm afraid, is almost all due to D&D. In the early 1980's, D&D and the various RPG's, video games and following tie-in books, were considered a big threat to the still young fantasy category market and SF as well. It was assumed that the games would swallow up fiction reading audiences, and then with the tie-in books with their built-in audiences that they would take over and blot out original fiction on the shelves. This of course was not at all what happened, but that was the fear. And D&D, which drew from Lord of the Rings, from pulp fiction of earlier times and from every folklore mythology they could raid, was the centerpiece of that ire. That was coupled with the fact that secondary world fantasy greatly expanded and the number of titles in the category market also expanded, so there was more to pick at. And so in the 1980's, sword & sorcery -- a term proposed by Fritz Lieber long ago for his fiction -- started to become a dirty word to parts of the field. To those parts of the field, it became essential to distinguish their works from Lord of the Rings, from anything that might be labeled D&D-like, and to start ragging on most of the reading audience as immature dolts who should stop liking dragons. And over time this became an actual useful marketing technique. It did not, however, diminish interest in playing with dragons by fantasy writers. It did not diminish the opportunities for those not writing about dragons either. The market holds it all, the dragons and the dragonless.
if it happens to be feisty teenage girls learning important life-lessons through their relationship with a unicorn
So maybe, as has come up before, we need to start talking about what's actually in the market, as titles, so that we move beyond the there's a teen fantasy romance in YA and everything is elves in imaginary worlds philosophy. Because that isn't the fantasy market. But we'll see about another thread for that.
October 15th, 2012, 01:05 PM #34
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From a looking around them point of view, I don't have a problem with castles. In fact I love them. It is just that they are so Middle Age European, and I include Outremer in that. There are other cultures with equally neat ideas. Let's see some of these in fantasy writing.