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    The Red Knight by Miles Cameron

    I finished Red Knight by Miles Cameron and while I loved it quite a lot and will be in my top 25 of the year, I think that Anthony Ryan's Blood Song (which is still the number one debut of the year and also the best fantasy debut since Name of the Wind) is a stronger debut, while David Hair's Mage's Blood is another one which I may rate slightly higher, though i may rate this one higher...

    Red Knight tries and mostly succeeds to combine three things:

    - a very historical fiction approach to medieval fantasy as for example appearing in authors like Maurice Druon and Zoe Oldenbourg (I am pretty sure there are such from the UK/US but none come to mind, maybe Pillars of the Earth to some extent would qualify; one characteristic is that life is cheap, but things are expensive); this means the writing is very unsentimental, quite brutal on occasion and is much closer to historical fiction in many ways than it is to fantasy even of the "gritty" kind

    - a magical system based on the power of the wild nature, green rather than dark so to speak and embodied in various creatures and people versus the power of the sun, light embodied in the Church and people; this system reminds one strongly of CS Friedman's Cold Fire while the memory chamber approach also reminds of KJ Parker's "rooms"

    - a military component as most of the book is war; this gets a bit tiring at the end when slaughtering "boglins" by the thousands becomes tedious, but it has a lot of great moments where the combination of medieval weapons and tactics with modern such given by sorcery (eg aerial bombardment by wyverns, but much more) brings something new to the table; this part is done very well, only it is a bit too long in the end

    The structure of the book is in short chunks from multiple POV's and it works mostly well with narrative flowing though I can easily see it leading to confusion in parts. There are a ton of impressive characters of all kinds, most notably the title hero, The (mysterious) Red Knight (about whom we find out in due time most everything about parentage and upbringing with the rest being implied), the real bad boy "Bad Tom" Lachlan, the two sorcerers Thorn and Harmodius, the abbess who hires the Red Knight to protect her important convent/fortress, Queen Desiderata, some local and foreign knights, a few daemons - these are powers of the wild and guardians of the outwallers, an escaped slave who becomes a member of the Sossag one of the "outwallers" indian like tribes and not least a wise and very powerful Dragon.

    Where I have reservations is in balance and integration of these quite disparate elements, integration that does not fully work so the book occasionally is less than the sum of its parts, while as mentioned the military aspect becomes somewhat repetitive at the end; also as in most fantasies, the separation of the main hero and his love interest looks really artificial (but this is true to some extent in Blood Song and Mage's Blood, only LE Modesitt not shying away from married heroes with children...); the end of The Red Knight is actually superb as it goes beyond solving the main storyline and setting up the next book The Fell Sword (about which Miles told me he is on page 423 as of a few days ago), but also brings new main players into focus and has a "conversation" for the ages.

    Overall, an excellent debut that I hope will find its audience as it combines a few things that usually stay separate in fiction, while I am convinced the technical aspects will only get better as the series progresses.

    You can see excellent artwork with all characters on the author's page HERE
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    Not reading suciul's post above (yet) as I'm still reading the book (arrived Monday), but thought I would just add that so far I'm very impressed with such a debut. Very strong medieval/historical element, interesting characters, nice plot developments - I'm really enjoying it.

    Hope it continues!
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    The structure of the book is in short chunks from multiple POV's and it works mostly well with narrative flowing though I can easily see it leading to confusion in parts. There are a ton of impressive characters of all kinds, most notably the title hero, The (mysterious) Red Knight (about whom we find out in due time most everything about parentage and upbringing with the rest being implied), the real bad boy "Bad Tom" Lachlan, the two sorcerers Thorn and Harmodius
    I am deducing from the pictures at Cameron's site, that Thorn must be what is in another review referred to as the "green leader of the Wild".

    Just took delivery of the hardcover by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithfânion View Post
    I am deducing from the pictures at Cameron's site, that Thorn must be what is in another review referred to as the "green leader of the Wild".

    Just took delivery of the hardcover by the way.
    That's true - I regret the book (the artwork on the site is in the book) does not have pictures of daemons, faeries and maybe of the huge stone warriors of the Wild; the wyvern is on the UK cover - yes there are faeries but they are not particularly benevolent...
    There is one Sossag pictured at least (Ota Qwan)

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    The UK publisher, Gollancz, has a fairly generous excerpt up on their blog, of which I have been availing myself. Not sure what I think, to be honest, but there are definitely some interesting things going on in the first bit.

    The way dialogue flows feels interesting, if that's not too geeky. Joe Abercrombie, Mark Lawrence to a degree, a lot of writers writing secondary world fantasy in a "grimmer" headspace have a very colloquial dialogue style, specially among their military characters. Very stripped-down, very informal. I remember Glen Cook's Black Company talking this way too, among themselves. The Red Knight feels different in this regard. A lot of the characters seem to have a more consciously constructed way of speaking, not in a dorky "hail ye good traveller and well-met, sirra" kind of toxic story-killing way, but in a way that balances our conventions of dialogue now with constant nods back to the chivalric times Cameron is evoking larded all through the speech. I ... think I might be taught to like it. Except occasionally it's like the author forgets, and a line or two slips the stylistic reins, and it's really, really noticeable.

    Not too sure how attached I'm going to get to the characters yet. The novel moves around a lot, so the excerpt material doesn't really let us settle in with any of them. Everyone seems nicely flawed and conflicted; there's definitely potential here, and I'm glad to hear from Hobbit and Suciul that it develops well. The book seems to build sexism into its world in the way that's the default assumption for most grimmer epic fantasies, and, while in Cameron's case I recognize that this may have a lot to do with a firmer historical impulse, it feels like something that's gone from being [theoretically] a way to explore injustice and present characters with severe challenges to just being kind of how these stories are expected to work, and that's somewhat disturbing. Plenty of room to broaden after page thirty, though. And I really like the moral ambiguity that's slammed right in our faces immediately in terms of the humanity versus Wild conflict, with attrocities committed on both sides from the word go.

    Long way of saying that I'm not one-hundred percent convinced, and the personalities don't immediately click with me as people I want to follow around, but the excerpt's definitely intriguing and I'd cautiously say I want to read the whole thing. Be interested to hear any more thoughts others have. Both about the book itself and, maybe getting more meta, how it fits into the picture of fantasy at the moment.

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    So the story is about a troupe of mercenaries who take what is supposed to be an easier gig than the usual fighting protecting a nunnery from deadly creatures from the Wild that are picking off the nuns and farm folk, but this turns out to be part of something much bigger and war-like amid species, including skullduggery among the humans. So basically, it's a western, Seven Samaurai style (Magnificent Seven), and in the neighborhood of tales like The Keep and good old Beowulf. Actually clearly a nod to Beowulf in there and to St. George and the Dragon. The style from the excerpt is similar to Mary Gentle's Ash, also in the neighborhood. And there's battle action.

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    Any one read The Red Knight by Miles Cameron?

    I have found and read an 'official review' of the book but even with a search was unable to unearth anything here on the forum. Has anyone here read the book and have some impressions they can share as to if it was worth the read to them?
    Thanks much!

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    I read it, one of the best 10 books published in 2012 for me. here is the "official" review: http://www.sffworld.com/brevoff/908.html

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    Your searching powers are lacking my friend. Just kidding, I realize the new forum's search functionality isn't that great.

    Here's the thread where a few of us have read it:

    The Red Knight by Miles Cameron

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    Thank you. I did use the search function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinner View Post
    Thank you. I did use the search function.
    Yeah, right! Good luck with that. It's the one feature that has been broken since I first joined the site. If you use two words for search it will only pick one of them. Also, you have to pick the option for searching only titles for better results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy09 View Post
    I read it, one of the best 10 books published in 2012 for me. here is the "official" review: http://www.sffworld.com/brevoff/908.html
    Another review of the book can be found here.

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    I read it last week with modest expectations and was very pleasantly surprised. An early candidate for my list of best books published in 2013.

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    I read this recently and ultimately felt that there were a couple of problems that outweighed the good elements of the book. I was initially enjoying the fact that the author was setting up several potentially interesting storylines but i was a disappointed by the fact that quite a large portion of the book is ultimately taken up with in-depth, overly long battle scenes. The author is apparently an expert in medieval military history, and this does allow for authentic and well described battle sequences. The problem is the sheer volume of these (they literally do seem to make up the majority of the 650 pages) , and the fact that it is hard to work up too much enthusiasm for reading yet another round of scenes of Boglins/Irks etc attacking the Red Knight's forces at Lissen Carrack. It's a pity that the book doesn't quite work out, because the author writes well and has created an interesting (if not hugely original) world/backdrop for the story. The other problem I had with this, and this is something that the author can't be blamed for, is the terrible proof reading job that was done of the book. In the UK trade paperback edition that I read there was an unbelievable volume of typos/misspellings etc. One of the worst examples of this that I have seen from a reputable publisher.

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