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    About this forum...

    Welcome to the new collaborative stories sub-forum.

    This section has been created for all the collaborative story threads that were previously part of the main Playroom. If you wish to start a new story here, then by all means go for it!

    There are just a few rules:
    It is site policy to allow any member to post in any thread - this will be true here also.
    We ask that, if you join in a story, you take the time to familiarise yourselves with the story so far, so as not to inadvertantly make any dramatic changes or cause any clashes.
    When the author(s) who begin a story have a plot outline in mind, they are encouraged to post it at the beginning of the thread. Please check the first post of a thread you are interested in taking part in, for any synopsis or plot guidelines. If you post in a thread with an outline at the beginning, please keep to this outline.
    Posts that derail stories will be changed at the inital author's request and/or a moderator's discrection.

    The usual rules apply of course - please avoid political or offensive material, and no fan fiction please.

    If you have any questions, please feel free to post them here, or PM any of the mods or admins.

    Other than that - enjoy!!

    Sammie.

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    Edited for submission Holbrook's Avatar
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    I have been giving the matter of this sub forum some serious thought overnight and would like to make a couple of comments.

    These are my thoughts and in no way are they related to any that have honoured me by writing with me over the past few months.

    I add I have no problem with the sub forum itself.


    1. The matter of "outlines" concerns me a little. If we have to put up an outline. Which by it's very nature and structure, as it appiles in the publishing industry, gives not only the beginning, the important nodes in the story, it hints at the ending, this somewhat defeats the process of writing the story in the first place. (especially if it is changing and growing as it is written. Never written a story which turned out the same as the outline in my life.) A brief synopsis, would I think, be better, then any one wishing to join in could PM the thread starter or those already involved to get any details not on the boards already. This would keep the "secret" of what will happen off the boards and so allow the general reader to enjoy the stories without having them spoiled.

    2. I would like also to say that often a story requires research, especially if set in a historical or modern day setting. I would like to hope that any one joining in a story would be prepared to make an effort and do some. Even with research one makes mistakes, but if you don't even bother then the whole story can go out the window.

    3. Anyone joining in thread, I would hope, would have respect for their fellow authors and not have a temper, or a sulk, or try to take over a thread or even worse ruin it, because their ideas were not accepted by the others.

    4. Writing a story thread is fun, but is is also hard work. I would hope any joining in would be prepared to put as much hard work as the others. Also quite often one is not sure what you are going to post, until you do. You have a rough idea, but until you see your fellow writer's post you are not 100% sure. It is a matter of personal trust in your fellow writer and that is not easy. You have to trust and respect them and their writing and hope they do the same to you.

    5. This is a very personal one. I would feel very uncomfortable writing with anyone under 18. Often the thoughts and ideas behind the stories are very adult ones. Even 18 is rather young for me. Nothing against the abilites of younger writers, it is just I would prefer to work with mature adults (over 30 lol) who have a bit more knowledge of life. Imagination will take you so far in creating a character, having lived a little gives you the edge.

    6. With regard to the already well established threads. I hope people will realise these are well down the line, some are completed or nearing completion. It would be hard at this stage for another to join in, if they wish to it would require a hell of a lot of work on their part to get up to speed on them.

    7. Yes writing story threads is fun, you get a buzz, but it is as I said hard work and a commitment. I would hope any joining in one would be prepared to do both.
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    I AM too a mod! Moderator Rocket Sheep's Avatar
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    I don't like hard work or being committed (I'm so glad they let me out after the last time). But Holbrook is right... I can't really keep up with all these stories most of the time... so that's why I don't.

    I just popped in to say, what about The Hub?

    How come it didn't leap onto the collaborative lifeboat before it drifted away? Didn't anyone want to save it?

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    Don't fret my dear Sheepie. I am working on the Hub as we speak. I will go through and separate the various stories to give them their own threads. Be patient with me - this will take a little time. I have only managed the Mist story so far, but will get onto some more when I have time.

    Then I'll bring the whole thread over here.

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    This is not spur of the moment stuff. This is more like structured writing. For those members with no illusions of having writing talent, it will just put them off.

    Is this about having a bit of fun? Why make rules about the content? Can the contributors not just 'wing' it? That sounds a lot more fun than researching. By all means, if you have the ability, use it. But you must also allow for a person just trying his/her hand, and not needing to worry about being perfect, or grammatically correct, or historically accurate.

    Don't make this more intellectual than it actually is. It is just people having fun.

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    Originally posted by Neffertiti
    This is not spur of the moment stuff. This is more like structured writing. For those members with no illusions of having writing talent, it will just put them off.

    Is this about having a bit of fun? Why make rules about the content? Can the contributors not just 'wing' it? That sounds a lot more fun than researching. By all means, if you have the ability, use it. But you must also allow for a person just trying his/her hand, and not needing to worry about being perfect, or grammatically correct, or historically accurate.

    Don't make this more intellectual than it actually is. It is just people having fun.
    The answer is simple, if you want to wing it, wing it, just don't trample on threads where others want to put a bit more effort into it.

    Also respect other people's work.

    Fun threads and structured ones room for both in my opinion, I have worked on both sorts in the past.

    I wasn't going on about grammar, I wasn't going on about it being word perfect,( it is plain you haven't read some of the stories on the Hub where I was winging it, not knowing until I started typing what I was going to do.) but a bit of research does help the fun, in my opinion, and challenge me to draw something out of the hat, which will challenge my co-writers. To be honest I don't have a Uni degree under my belt, I am just someone who loves writing and does it to the best of my ability.

    Also what is wrong with being intellectual and having fun at the same time. People are a lot cleverer than most give them credit for. Things are too dumb downed as it is in the world.

    Besides, in the end it is the Admin, Mods and the owner that make the rules on this forum. Also this is a PG 13 forum, the content does have to be limited in many ways. So far and no further. There are plenty of 18/ Lit-erotica forums out there if you want to work in that direction.
    Last edited by Holbrook; July 21st, 2003 at 02:19 AM.

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    Thank you Holbrook. I really wanted that to be clarified, and you are quite right. I just wanted the point made that this is not only for those of you with writing talent. A talent I have nothing but respect (read envy ) for.

    I am confused as to why you made the comments about 'erotic' writing? I never said this was suitable for SFF, nor proposed it in this section. In fact, it makes a refreshing change to be a member of a forum where this is not the order of the day.

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    I doubt that the Lit-Erotica was directed at you so much as some others, including myself, who have severely bent the rules in that regard in some of our story posts...

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    I AM too a mod! Moderator Rocket Sheep's Avatar
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    There's no reason why we can't have collaborations where each person is only allowed to post 10 words and has to try to change the story completely.

    Those are always fun...

    ... It's a shame you can't do that roll down thing where each person who contributes can only see the last line... then you unroll the paper and read it... instant hysterical kids! Well, OK, that's what it is like in my classes...

    There can be threads dedicated to fun for casual people who can't be bothered reading back, so long as it is obvious which threads those are.

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    As far as plot outlines at the beginning go - it is entirely at the discretion of the member who started the thread what they wish to put - but the more rigid the outline the more the mods can help by stepping in if someone derails the story.

    Neffertiti, you have it exactly right - this forum is not specifically for those who feel themselves to be talented writers, it is for anyone who thinks this may be fun. No-one is obliged to do any research - though of course they may if they wish - but when you write, please respect any details that other peoples research has led them to include. Again I agree: researching removes the 'spur of the moment' factor, so this is down to member's discretion.

    As far as writing with under 18 year olds goes....as you mentioned, Hol, we have a 'no under 13's without parental permission' thing going on. I think it best that everyone bear in mind that what they write must be suitable for anyone aged 13 up - and if you are not comfortable writing with people this age, then your content is most likely too adult to be posted anyway.

    And lastly - writing does not HAVE to be hard work, and a member who posts once should not feel obliged to make a commitment to that thread.

    If you find you have a complaint about a post made in a thread you started, or are involved in, bring it to a mod or an admin and we will do our best to resolve it for you.

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    Just wanted to add Agent's comment off the lost thread:

    Posted by Evil Agent:
    I started the "Greatest Fantasy Tale Ever Told" Thread, mostly in fun to see what would happen...

    It's now actually turning into a pretty entertaining little story, and it keeps me in suspense all the time! It's great.

    I would invite more people to participate in it, so if you want to then go ahead! All I ask is that you at least read the whole thing closely first, so that you can keep the story's continuity and not make any accidental contradictions....

    Thanks!

    -Evilest of Agents

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    Originally posted by Holbrook
    Fun threads and structured ones room for both in my opinion, I have worked on both sorts in the past.
    I SO wanted to jump in and have a word here, but unfortunately time didn't permit and besides.....Holbrook, you said it more eloquently than I could have.

    To lay Neffertiti's concerns to rest, if you look at the stories already completed in the Hub, or those still being written, you will see that there is a huge variety of subject matter and style. The last thing we want to do is limit what kind of tales are being created here (well apart from following the general forum rules of course). They don't HAVE to be funny and light hearted, they don't HAVE to be serious. As we've already seen, there are some very talented writers amongst us. Their stories can be light-hearted fun, thought provoking, or even tragic at times....they range from science fiction to militaristic themes to fairy tales to fantasy....and lots more besides.

    Yes - some stories need some research and hard work to be viable. But others are purely for fun and enjoyment. It's really up to the individual what kind of story they'd like to be involved in.

    I hope that helps a bit.

    As for Sheepie's suggestions - they sound like a lot of fun as well.

    Perhaps something could be worked out for the 'roll down' idea. What if the last poster duplicated their final line in a second post. It would then be left to the next person's integrity, not to peek at the rest of the story, and just work off that single line. I (or one of the other mods) could go though intermittently and get rid of all these single line posts, so that the story could continue uninterrupted. What do you think of that?

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    Originally posted by Rocket Sheep
    There can be threads dedicated to fun for casual people who can't be bothered reading back, so long as it is obvious which threads those are.
    I like this idea.

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    Nerfertiti - you say you have no writing talent and if you wrote, your input would not be perfect. I for one, trust me on this, have found that if you write with other writers who are BETTER than yourself, you find a way to pull yourself up the quality ladder. The other writers have a way of setting a standard bar that we as individuals try to achieve.

    Bottom line? It all boils down to common respect for others. Before, during, and after the writing process.

    Pam

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    Last edited by Scarlett O'Hara; July 21st, 2003 at 09:17 AM.

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    Thank you This had to be said. I understand that the reverse has not been said. But this point was getting lost in the arguments. It is out in the open now, there is room for everyone. Your above comments will go a long way into encouraging others who are not 'writers' to try their hand at this.

    I can more than live with that!

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