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    Hey there. I'm a professional artist in both the traditional and digital fields, and having worked in both, my opinion is that they both have pros and cons.

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    Several years ago I discovered art produced by computer programs and became fascinated by the look of the work.
    I understand that you probably didn't mean that the computer produced the artwork by itself, but this is a common misconception. People seem to think that all a computer artist does is press a few buttons, type a few commands, and voila! They have a finished masterpiece! Or a finished videogame, or a Flash film, or whatnot. But the computer is just a tool, and has nothing to do with the creative process or the vision. Unless you're manipulating pre-existing images (photos or someone else's art), the vision comes entirely from you.

    I think the best use of the computer is for digital painting. I know that Joel Payne (http://www.gicleeart.com/spotlight.htm#jpayne) and lots of other artists will use Illustrator or some other program to sketch and/or color a drawing. It's no different than using a canvas and paintbrush. The end result is difficult to tell apart from a "real" painting. Just like with traditional drawing, this takes a LOT of skill, talent, and practice to be able to master.

    Flash artwork and animations can also be difficult--even impossible--to tell apart from traditional 2D cartoons. Again, there is a traditionally trained artist behind these computer creations, if they look any good.

    3D art has its own look. I don't particularly like or dislike it, but I think it's strong for certain things (robots, urban landscapes, accurate lighting and evocative mood), and weak with other things (people, furry animals, naturalistic landscapes).
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    I think the battle between digital and traditional is really quite stupid.
    I've tried both traditional and digital mediums and I've found that, personally, I prefer digital, because of the freedom to experiment without mucking up your canvas. Also, there isn't the cost of paints and canvases, that's a nice touch. Okay, PSCS2 (what I have) is pretty damned expensive, but I'd prefer to pay once and big rather than get to a crucial stage of wet-in-wet or something and find you've run out of burnt umber. DX
    I like the range you can get digitally. You can get them traditionally, of course, but you can't buy paints in an RGB colour scale.

    I just find it annoying when people say how digital is so much easier than traditional and how it requires so much less effort 'n' all, because it really doesn't. It's no easier, or harder, than traditional, in my opinion. Those who give up traditional media and switch to digital because they've heard it's not as hard are completely wrong. Those who talk about less control needed are also wrong, because I think it's actually harder in some areas to control a tablet, especially for things like hair. You can go into incredible detail digitally, but man is it hard. You have to have absolute hand-eye co-ordination. I'm not saying it isn't that way for traditional media, but I've spent longer with Photoshop than a brush and canvas, and it certainly seems that way for me.
    It isn't always that easy to distinguish between traditional and digital media, although things like the ends of strands tend to give it away, because digital will often fade away and paint won't usually. But there are definitely some digital paintings I've seen that look absolutely like acrylics/oils/watercolour/ any number of other things.
    Digital is usually smoother, because it has no pre-decided texture. That's another thing I like. You can do the most incredible realism with PS and a tablet (or for that matter PS and a mouse, it's not impossible.) I mean, we've all seen Linda Bergkvist's stuff, right? Sometimes, you'd think it was a photo if not for the fact it had purple eyes or whatever...

    But anyway, that said, probably the same/a big summing up of what everyone else's said (who likes digital), and now that you've fully been able to recognise that I like essays, my opinion is simply: I like digital. ._.

    Now, feel free to flame, I'm here all day.

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    The world is definitely big enough for both traditional and digital media. In time, I'm sure digital will simply be seen as another option, like choosing between oil and watercolor.

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    I agree. I think even novels will become more multi-media in many respects. Collaborations with sound/music/art departments and churned out as team efforts in the future with animated sequences and so forth.

    Or, so I hope. I think the digital medium is as valid as watercolor or oil. I worked with both and now prefer the digital medium, actually. For me, it is painterly and intuitive, just another set of supplies needed. I have extensive art and even a little storyboard snippet on a website for a novel I wrote. Mainly, I've done it for fun--I even am scoring music and so forth and plan on animating extensive sequences and a full storyboard for the book.

    What's great is that now the average person can actually manage such large projects and achieve a somewhat satisfactory result.

    It's a brave new world...

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    The digital art challenge

    As a professional artist, I do both, also. Most artists getting into digital are find it difficult to render texture. Colors are filled into areas as just a color, making the object look flat and unreal. Traditional painting allows you to place pinpoint variations of colors together side by side, which gives an overall effect of realism and play of light on a surface such as human skin or a tree trunk, or animal hide. Digital allows that, too, but you have to know how. If I want to render a red dragon in digital, I choose the tiny circle tool and choose about three or four shades of red, then do a kind of pointilism all over the surface area. This takes a lot of time but makes a huge difference. It's a lot faster if you have a pad and stylus instead of the mouse. When looking at other's art, which I love to do, I skim by a hundred pieces of digital art on web pages and do a screeching halt when I see the rare one that shows mastery of the textured effect.

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    As a viewer I apreciate all possible medias. However, when it comes to do the work myself, I have a clear preference toward traditional ways. I love my brushes and pencils! And I love the textures of papers and canvas. (yes, I'm as romantic as I sound!)

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    As someone who uses both traditional and digital media, if I want something done quick, I'll choose digital, but if I want something that looks crisp and professional, I'll go for traditional!

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    When it comes to art that I produce, I am rather old fashioned. I certainly hope digital art doesn't completely replace more traditional art, because pen and ink is my media of choice. The most I use a computer for is to colour in my drawings.

    There are some pieces of digital art that are quite nicely done, but I still prefer the look of art created by more traditional means. For me personally, much of the art created digitally has too much of a "video game" look to it. There'sa something "unreal" about it.

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    I do digital art and traditional, like all of them pretty equally! I started 3D because of the same reason I started photography, I get more instant gratification, well I used to! LOL! Once you start doing 3D seriously, it can take as long to set up a scene, and create lights, backgrounds and moods as a traditional work takes. Too many people think CG is push a button and instant art! Not even close. In some ways 3D is more frustrating to do then an acrylic painting or drawing. You know what you want to do, and sometimes your computer has a fit, the model just won't co-operate, or some other weird thing occurs.

    BTW, I have a signed LE #13 of "Elric, the Demon Slayer" from Michael Whelan! And I know Frank (*Frazetta, if ya didn't know) and Ellie both personally! Frank is a God of Fantasy art. None better IMVHO. I tried to buy Egyptian Queen signed LE, but didn't have 3 grand at the moment Ellie would part with it.

    I use Poser 6 & 7, Vue6, Bryce 5 & 6.1, Carrara, PS, PSP, 3DSMax. I started about 3 years ago. My advice if you want to do 3D?! Try to study a bit of photography. Perspective and camera settings and angle, plus a good knowledge of how a camera "sees" lighting is so very helpful when you start to create your renders. A little bit of anatomy knowledge for the figures helps too. Body only moves and bends certain directions before it just looks wrong. Last tip...invest in a very good texture! One excellent texture can be a boon to character's appearance. You can add make-up and scars and such in PS or other photo editing program in post work.

    Hope some of this helps a little.

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    I've often thought about this question (as I love art and constantly review artbooks from both mediums).

    Personally, I prefer traditional art because I feel it has more talent involved, where as digital art has more about knowledge of how to manipulate an image and hard work. I would love to look at something someone has done directly with there hands (like a drawing with lead or an oil painting), rather than something through a computer.

    However, there are places digital art can go that traditional can't (such as image manipulation). I think digital artists should focus on this strong point, rather than trying to 'paint a picture' so to speak, on a computer.

    I have read some of the beforementioned comments about misconceptions about digital art being all about a few clicks and BAM, done! I'm aware, but I still think it doesn't compete with the raw, primal talent someone has that uses their hands.

    I think one of the biggest cop outs are people who can't draw, paint or sculpt but cheat by using a computer. These remind me of 'abstract' artists who can't even draw a pot realistically, so then do abstract to cover up.

    *hides head under blanket and waits for flaming*

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    Hi Phyllis,

    First the flam.... Shame! Any art, created in any medium, form or context is a gift and should be both respected and reguarded with a certain sense of awe.

    When anyone learns any medium, there will be people who attempt to critique it. But to call CG cheating... hmmmm, obviously you do not understand or have never tried to tackle the medium on your own. As in drawing a sketch (*which most all artists do before attempting to paint a serious endeavor), the concept comes from your brain! It is just as involved to compose the scene in your mind, and transfer it to the program, as to do the same and transpose that to a canvas or paper!!!

    You first have to position and pose your character(s) as you envision the scene, then you have to create thier expressions...different from the base posing, then you have to select and conform, pose and articulate the hair to fit the scene and the surroundings/ Next you have to get the right camera angle, the correct lights, and also the best perspective for the scene to be able to tell the story. NONE of these things happen by accident or with a click of the mouse. Often it is necessary to complete your work in a Post-work medium like photoshop to correct things a computer just cannot accomplish. AND photoshop is an artform of it's own! It is not as easy as one would think to create, edit and utilize it.

    Lastly, I have an art degree in acrylic/oil painting, life drawing and pen & ink (*bamboo quill). When I went for my minor in photography, I heard much the same as you are saying about CG. Some of the most moving and beautiful art is done with a camera... many consider that not to be "Real" art! But the fact remains, art is a gift to everyone, and those who do so digitally are no different then any other artist, in any other medium. If your work can move one person to feel something... you are a sucess. Many of the people who are considered to be industry giants and I personally thought painted thier work, use digital enhancement or complete digital compositions. Some are so good you cannot tell the difference.

    The only way it is possible to "Cheat" at art is to steal anothers work and claim it as your own. So if someone creates art, in any form... you must appreciate all forms of art as what they are... beautiful and a splendid gifts to all.

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    You first have to position and pose your character(s) as you envision the scene, then you have to create thier expressions...different from the base posing, then you have to select and conform, pose and articulate the hair to fit the scene and the surroundings/ Next you have to get the right camera angle, the correct lights, and also the best perspective for the scene to be able to tell the story
    But from my point of view, someone who is a traditional artist does this also - but then goes on to complete it with their actual hands.

    I think that you have some good ideas for your point of view. But its quite simple, I don't subscribe to the following belief:

    So if someone creates art, in any form... you must appreciate all forms of art as what they are... beautiful and a splendid gifts to all.
    I'm quite harsh and critical when it comes to art. I don't believe that the majority of its good. I love art, but i find a lot of it pretentious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phyllis View Post
    I think that you have some good ideas for your point of view. But its quite simple, I don't subscribe to the following belief:


    I'm quite harsh and critical when it comes to art. I don't believe that the majority of its good. I love art, but i find a lot of it pretentious.

    I actually agree about pretentious artists in general! When I first started to learn 3D, I encountered all sorts of 3D "Elitists" that subscribed to the thought that if you used any postworking, you weren't a "Real 3D Artist"! Which is funny because they would list as thier fav's certain artists that used very Heavy post work! LOL! See there are snobs in every genre!

    I am a fan of many artists, but my main love is classic work like Michaelangelo (*in all mediums), Some Monet, and a lot of Eischer. I really appreciate the art of HR Geiger. I first saw his art in the 60's in GQ magazine... convoluted and intriquing, just jaw droppingly imaginitive. Then there is my greatest love, Frazetta. So many try to credit Boris with a comparable quality... I feel personally that He personafies "Pretentious"! But that is my very humble opinion.

    I am curious to know if you create in any given medium yourself? Because often the biggest critic can turn into a meticulous artist. You might consider trying your hand at doing some art and posting it here in the gallery. I am the art editor at an on-line e-zine and also help facilitate the art here in SFF! I love to see anyone who does art get seen and appreciated!

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    I am curious to know if you create in any given medium yourself? Because often the biggest critic can turn into a meticulous artist. You might consider trying your hand at doing some art and posting it here in the gallery. I am the art editor at an on-line e-zine and also help facilitate the art here in SFF! I love to see anyone who does art get seen and appreciated!
    I do lead drawing and painting (mainly oils and acrylics) and I don't mind lino printing, but I'm definately not good enough. My main passion is writing, so I can't really dedicate much time to developing my painting skills.

    I like Van Gogh, Emily Kngwarreye, Yoshitaka Amano, Bengal, Benjamin and Hyung-Tae Kim (Bengal, Benjamin and Hyun-Tae are computer graphic artists btw)

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    I also write!
    I do mostly prose style poetry in a darke or goddess themed style(s). I also like sort of gothic mood work too. I have a story (*sci-fi) I have been doing for a couple of years, but somehow it gets picked up, a few pages completed and sets for another year. One day it wil see publishing I hope.

    I would love to be friends! PM me here? I am stateside in the south western USA, in the desert! I have several Aussie friends and plan to travel there in the future to have get together... perhaps we'd be able to touch base! Never know!

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