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    Lemurs!!! Moderator Erfael's Avatar
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    Who I Think You Really Ought To Be Reading by MWStover

    Okay, Matt, have at us...you promised us a list. Go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erfael
    Okay, Matt, have at us...you promised us a list. Go for it.

    Quick-like, off the top of my head . . .

    Josef Conrad
    Lord Jim
    Heart of Darkness
    Nostromo

    Ernest Hemingway
    The Sun Also Rises
    For Whom the Bell Tolls
    A Farewell To Arms
    The Snows of Kilimanjaro (Collected Stories)

    Rudyard Kipling
    The Light That Failed
    Captains Courageous
    Collected Stories

    Mark Twain
    Huckleberry Finn
    Life on the Mississippi
    The Mysterious Stranger
    A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

    Lev Tolstoy
    War and Peace
    "The Death of Ivan Ilych"

    Homer
    The Iliad
    The Odyssey

    Euripedes
    The Trojan Women
    The Bacchae

    Aeschylus
    The Orestaia

    Jean-Paul Sartre
    The Flies
    "The Wall"

    William Shakespeare
    Collected Works, but especially
    The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark
    The Tragedy of King Lear
    King Henry IV (Parts 1 and 2)
    The History of Troilus and Cressida
    The Tragedy of Macbeth

    Christopher Marlowe
    Doctor Faustus


    I guess that'll do for a start. Many of the above are actually in-genre, too.

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    No female writers whatsoever. I read alot (obviously) and a lot of classics too, and I try and get a gender balance. Having tried and failed to get interested in Hemmingway and Conrad, it is likely that I will not read quite a lot on this list. And surely Marlowe should be enjoyed on stage?
    But back to my original point. No female writers. Any chance of adding some to your list?

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    And I bet none are black or gay either!!! BURN HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Leiali, if asked to make any list of favourites, should you be honest and state your faves or try and go for gender balance? Gender balance for the sake of a PC list seems pointless.

    Sorry if I read too much into your post, the Internet is priceless for 'wrong-end of stick' grabbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiali
    No female writers whatsoever. I read alot (obviously) and a lot of classics too, and I try and get a gender balance.
    It is a thread for HIS preferences not yours.
    If I am not mistaken none of those authors on the list were black-irish jews either, I don't see the black-irish jewish people complaining.

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    I was exhausted just reading the list. It looks like a reading list for a degree in literature (look, I said the dirty 'L' word in an sf forum).

    My library has a habit of throwing out old books. I had to go and wrestle one of Andre Norton's early books out of the back room and I wouldn't give it back until they promised to tape it up and put it back on the shelves... I tried to tell them it was a classic. Perhaps I'm not quite in tune with the meaning of 'classic'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juzzza
    And I bet none are black or gay either!!! BURN HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Leiali, if asked to make any list of favourites, should you be honest and state your faves or try and go for gender balance? Gender balance for the sake of a PC list seems pointless.

    Sorry if I read too much into your post, the Internet is priceless for 'wrong-end of stick' grabbing.

    I take your points Glelas and Juzzza and I must confess I am instinctively PC. My issues were since women are half the population, a representative voice would be nice. And when I meant gender balance, I meant 'don't you have any female writers you like off the top of your head?' Not please satisfy my sense of PC ness. Although I appreciate that this is his list, and he can write what he likes, surely interactive feedback would keep this thread on its toes? I figured one obvious problem for me. And said it.

    PS - Marlowe was gay
    PPS - Remember that sort of row we had about machismo Juzzza? I think this thread ties in with that for me, I personally found Hemmingway and Conrad difficult to get into because I found the writing dry and too masculine for me to have any real commitment to the reading. I won't even get started on Henry Miller. Again, part of the reason why I brought it up was to explore that....I forgot to add to that the fact that I really like Caine, which could be considered contradictory to the point I was trying to make.
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    Leiali - This is Matt Stover's forum. What did you expect? Christopher Isherwood, Sylvia Plath and Evelyn Waugh? I think you have the wrong author for that. Here you get no-nonsense, hard talking, machismo. He's 'the bear', remember? Though I really do believe there is another side to MWS that maybe he will confess to one day. I don't think you can be a superb author and not be intuitive and sensitive, though that persona may not suit his image.

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    I know! and to top it all off, all the Shakespeare Stover has picked is tragedy! I would have gone for the Tempest or A Midsummer Nights Dream, probably because of the element of the fantastic.... But at least Romeo and Juliet isn't in there!

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    Leiali --

    If it makes you feel any better, Evangeline Walton changed my life. She's one of the writers that BLADE OF TYSHALLE is dedicated to. That list was just off the top of my head, and I was specifally avoiding the in-genre stuff, which is to follow.

    For Shakespeare's comedies, I prefer MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING and AS YOU LIKE IT -- though TROILUS AND CRESSIDA technically qualifies as a comedy.

    Marlowe was indeed gay. As was, most likely, Shakespeare (or bisexual, anyway). Irrelevant to their writing. Speaking as a former actor, I truly believe that Marlowe reads better than he plays, but that's just my opinion.

    And I am indeed masculine. I am also sensitive and intuitive, and I occasionally find tears in my eyes at the movies.

    Yes, I am the complete 21st Century man . . .

    And I'm modest, too.


    A quick list in-genre:

    Evangeline Walton
    The Mabinogion
    But specifically
    A Prince of Annwn and The Children of Llyr

    Robert A Heinlein
    Everything up to and including Stranger in a Strange Land
    After that . . . eh . . .

    Roger Zelazny
    This Immortal
    Isle of the Dead
    Lord Of Light
    Creatures of Light and Darkness
    The Last Defender of Camelot

    Fritz Leiber
    Collected Stories (all of them -- he was one of the the Titans)
    The Fafhrd & Gray Mouser adventures (again, all of them, for the reason above)
    Conjure Wife
    The Big Time
    Our Lady of Darkness

    Ursula K. LeGuin
    The Left Hand of Darkness
    The Earthsea Trilogy
    Any short story collection . . .

    Scott Lynch
    The Lies of Locke Lamorra

    John Varley
    Titan
    Wizard
    Demon
    Steel Beach

    Gene Wolfe
    The Book of the New Sun
    The Island of Dr. Death and Other Stories and Other Stories
    Soldier of the Mist

    Greg Bear
    "Heads"
    The Forge of God
    Anvil of Stars

    Larry Niven
    Ringworld
    Tales of Known Space

    Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle
    Inferno
    The Mote in God's Eye
    The Gripping Hand
    Oath of Fealty
    Footfall

    J. Gregory (Greg) Keyes
    The Age of Unreason
    The Briar King

    Daniel Keys Moran
    Emerald Eyes
    The Long Run
    "The Star"

    Stephen R. Donaldson
    The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever (First & Second)
    The Gap Series

    Ray Bradbury
    Any short story collection, but particularly
    Dandelion Wine
    The Illustrated Man
    A Medicine for Melancholy

    Isaac Asimov
    The Caves of Steel
    The Foundation Trilogy
    (with Robert Silverberg) The Ugly Little Boy

    That should do for a start. Once everybody's worked their way through that list, I'll have more . . .
    Last edited by MWStover; January 19th, 2005 at 10:09 AM.

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    I love this thread. It's entertaining, and informative too!

    Like Leiali I don't like Hemingway or Conrad either. But I don't know that it's because their writing is too masculine. I always figured it was because it was too dull and depressing and pretentious. (Just my opinion.)

    BTW, thanks Matt for the lists. I'll be checking some of those out (theoretically, at least, when I make some extra money or find time to get to the library ).

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    Maybe Mr Stover can answer a question for me that I haven't been able to find out. He mentions Evangeline Walton retelling of the stories of The Mabinogion.(The four branches or Mabinogi) Does he know if Evangeline Walton used Lady Charlotte Guest's translation as her base or did she base her work on other studies done on the Red Book of Hergest

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWStover
    A quick list in-genre:

    Evangeline Walton
    The Mabinogion

    *snip*

    (with Robert Silverberg) The Ugly Little Boy

    That should do for a start. Once everybody's worked their way through that list, I'll have more . . .
    What, no Matt Stover? Oh, ok then, but only because you said so...

    J

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    I don't feel too under-read...I've read about 10 from the first list and about 21 from the second list. Though to be fair, one of the books from the genre list isn't published yet.

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    That's merely a technicality.

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