"Who breaks the thread, the one who pulls, the one who holds on?"

**Gary Wassner** · February 15th, 2005, 11:36 AM

Grief and need are the components of the thread? How stable was it to begin with?

When fools rush in....

Is he mad or is he mad ? Is the thread real that he found, or was it one he picked up on our street of dreams?

Do you really believe that the pullee doesn't know that he is being pulled? Ignorance is bliss? If he gets pulled hard enough, he will realize it at some point, so you think that if the puller is subtle and careful, he can carry this innocent along indefinitely? I suppose when others see him being dragged along, they might hitch a ride too, if it's working for him already.
How many innocents does it take to break the thread? And when it breaks, are they then guilty? Have they lost their right to claim absolution?

**Gary Wassner** · February 15th, 2005, 11:45 AM

Hereford, if it's time independent, then energy is the operator. So energy pulls and kinetic energy holds on. Ah, yes. The wave function that results explains it all........

**JRMurdock** · February 15th, 2005, 12:20 PM

I recind my statement that the thread always breaks.

A new example. A dealer gives a 10 year old buy some drugs (any will do). The drugs are now the thread pulling the innocent boy along. He'll rob, steal, pimp, anything to allow himself to be pulled along ignorant of the fact that he's being pulled along usually until it's too late. In this case the pullee can just as easily be broken.

By responding to this thread, am I unwittingly being pulled along?

This is an interesting thread as the story I'm currently working on, the main character is gullible and ignorant of much that is going on around him. He is being manipulated into doing something that he wouldn't normally do. At what point does the 'thread' he's being lead around by get revealed to him and at what point does he being to pull. Will the thread be broken or at some point does the thread become stronger than the pullee and resistance it truly futile? Or does it end in a struggle to pull the thread in two different directions get noticed and pulled in a new direction?

I get the feeling this is the direction you're pulling this thread? or is my leg being pulled? Who's hand is that? HEY! Stop that!

Where's my medication?

**Gary Wassner** · February 15th, 2005, 12:39 PM

So, the thread has now become active. I thought it was passive. What caused it to awaken? And in such a nefarious way?

You are most definitely being pulled along, whether you respond or not. We have lurkers here, right? Are they holding on, afraid to pull, afraid to get involved, yet sitll unable to let go?

On the one hand it could depend upon how strong of character your main man is. But on the other, how loyal are his friends? Do they sense what's going on around them? Do they truly care about him? Or is the thread beyond their comprehension?

You know, when you pull taffy long enough it changes consistency. And when you pull on some apoxies, they change entirely. But then when you cease to exert an influence upon them, they dry and become like rock. You must keep working at them or they will alter their nature and sublimate into something entirely different.

Hey, are you holding on with your teeth or your toes? Your head or your heart?

I told you before, I gave up drugs a long time ago.

**JRMurdock** · February 15th, 2005, 12:49 PM

As this thread has progressed (and by your persistent answering questions with questions to draw those of us deeper into the darkness) the concept of a 'thread' is evolving. Are you the Mad Overlord using logic to seduce an accomplice into your realm?

The thread is still inactive being that 'it' is not pulling on its own. It's is merely making the pullee more malleable and susceptible to the will of the puller. Manipulation can be a very handy tool.

Stepping sideways here, does the puller need to be an active participant? Can the puller instead 'push' as if he is behind the pullee? Does there need be only one thread? Could the pullee get tangled in threads and lose control completely?

You're making this more complicated than it started out to be. Or am I? Or are the lurkers? I need to find my scissors.

**Hereford Eye** · February 15th, 2005, 01:18 PM

When it comes to metaphors, have we begun to reach beyond the bounds or are we still pulling them from the further reaches of our respective anatomies?

If a thread is a conversation and a conversation is an interchange of ideas and ideas can be changed by conversation, are we drawn to conversations that challenge our way of thinking?

Can a conversation have a life of its own? The certain signs of life, if I remember correctly, are ingestion, elimination, response to stimuli, reproduction, growth or development. This thread exhibits all necessary criteria save one and that one could be considered present if one were to examine the quality of my posts.

If so, does it have a right to life? Or is euthanasia a permissible option.

**Gary Wassner** · February 15th, 2005, 01:21 PM

Aret most threads woven? Do'nt they often consist of multiple strings that add strength and flexibility to the thread? Do we know the nature of the thread here? So many questions when all I wanted was some answers.....

The puller can be holding on to another parallel thread and when the wind blows, certainly they could get tangled. Who could anticipate that? They could go on for years side by side without incident, but nature is not predictable.

Scissors? Deus ex Machina? That's not fair.

**Gary Wassner** · February 15th, 2005, 01:22 PM

Did you say 'indigestion' Hereford?

**Joe Bloggs** · February 15th, 2005, 01:33 PM

In this case I don't think the thread actually breaks. It just gets dropped in the dust as both sides realise the ultimately futility at the lack of resolution, and decide to just move on.

**JRMurdock** · February 15th, 2005, 01:38 PM

Could a master manipulator get two thread pulling at himself to pull against each other thereby nullifying their effect on himself?

Should we view all the 'threads' as a tapestry? If truly all our threads are woven together with others to make the very fabric of life, what happens when one does break? Will the tapestry unwravel or will another simply take its place? both?

Do we then consider ourselves weavers, pullers, pullees, or all three? Do we play one role or many? Can we honestly weave a fabric if we do not have control over all ends? What happens when the puller becomes the pullee on the same thread?

This thread (the one we're all typing in, not the concept of threads) would be a living entity only in the most basic sense. Much as if you were to compre it to any single celled being. And even those can give you indigestion.

Where's my malox?

**AshleyBoy** · February 15th, 2005, 01:40 PM

it would appear that this thread has now become more than a thread.... it's an entire muti-structural thead (or rope).
and yes it will still always break... unless its not pulled

**Gary Wassner** · February 15th, 2005, 01:53 PM

Cynicism again or just plain ennui, Joe? Or did I hear you mention nihilism?

A two headed beast, Maus? Now we have anthropomorphised our thread?

United we stand?

As a puller or a pullee you are a weaver, your influence is unavoidable.

The question becomes all about the dropped stitch. There will be a unmistakable void right in the middle. Who will correct it? Will it be too late once it's discovered? The thread may in fact not be as strong as you suspected from the start. These things tend to be so riddled with inconsistencies.

So Ashley, if we leave it alone and don't pressure it, it will remain forever? We must all become tightrope walkers then.

**Hereford Eye** · February 15th, 2005, 02:59 PM

No matter where you choose to start from, Gary, we always seem to arrive at the same destination: what does it all mean?
Is it that there is only one question worth asking? Is it that the inhabitants of this forum have one track minds? Or is it just me?

**Gary Wassner** · February 15th, 2005, 05:14 PM

Where is that place that we have ended up at? I can't see it very clearly.
Maybe I'm not looking in the right areas?

Are you suggesting that it's time to move on?