Discussion of fantasy/literature divide and levels of Brow-ness

Erfael

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Who pays attention to the Hugo Awards? I certainly do not. Reminds me of the Oscars and the Academy and quite a bit of high brow nonsense. Seems like that is a metric some members rely on heavily when determining a book's worth. Thoughts?

Actually, high-brow is usually the opposite of the complaints most people have about the Hugos. They're populist awards. Anyone who signs up for Worldcon (as an attendee or supporter) in a given year gets to vote.

As to my milage. I find some Hugos pretty fabulous, others pretty lackluster. I haven't counted at all to say how many of which. Some years didn't have as many (or any) really good books. Other years had far too many, so books were overlooked. But as a populist award, it's a popularity contest rather than a gauge of quality, at least in my mind. Actually, there was a lengthy discussion about that last year sometime. If you're interested, I can try to dig it up.

In contrast, I find something like the WFA to be much more useful to me. That's an award selected by a panel of authors, and I usually find that I like those books an awful lot (and find that they're the kind of books I'd be more likely to put on a list like this).

EDIT: Actually, easier than I thought to find that discussion: http://www.sffworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26860&highlight=populist+award
 
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Actually, high-brow is usually the opposite of the complaints most people have about the Hugos. They're populist awards. Anyone who signs up for Worldcon (as an attendee or supporter) in a given year gets to vote.

As to my milage. I find some Hugos pretty fabulous, others pretty lackluster. I haven't counted at all to say how many of which. Some years didn't have as many (or any) really good books. Other years had far too many, so books were overlooked. But as a populist award, it's a popularity contest rather than a gauge of quality, at least in my mind. Actually, there was a lengthy discussion about that last year sometime. If you're interested, I can try to dig it up.

In contrast, I find something like the WFA to be much more useful to me. That's an award selected by a panel of authors, and I usually find that I like those books an awful lot (and find that they're the kind of books I'd be more likely to put on a list like this).

EDIT: Actually, easier than I thought to find that discussion: http://www.sffworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26860&highlight=populist+award

Interesting. That leads to another question for the forum. Whose opinion do you find more relevant? Authors or Critics? How does the opinion of each shape or influence your perspective on which works merit consideration as a classic?
 
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Interesting. That leads to another question for the forum. Whose opinion do you find more relevant? Authors or Critics? How does the opinion of each shape or influence your perspective on which works merit consideration as a classic?


Neither, actually, I favor opinions by other readers to get a feel for a book.
As for classics... that sort of depends on a bunch of things. Google up the 100 all time best list of Science Fiction and I'll tell you why half of those titles should never have been included... hell, there's bound to be at least four or five Heinlein novels on the list that I think were crap.

Heck, my list of classics is an ever changing thing.
Last year I read The Mote in God's Eye again, having read it first many years ago and loving it. You'll find that book on just about every top 100 SF list and I can categorically say that it is a retarded piece of fiction that is best forgotten. As a kid you can really dig something... StarWars comes to mind, and upon revisiting these once upon a time classics you can't believe you were ever that goofy.
 
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As a kid you can really dig something...

Just so. "The Golden Age of science fiction is 12."

As to "high brow nonsense" (still not hyphenated), well, the assumption that anything that people who seem to have functional brains recommend is automatically to be disdained as "nonsense" probably doesn't really need comment.
 
As a kid you can really dig something...

Just so. "The Golden Age of science fiction is 12."

As to "high brow nonsense" (still not hyphenated), well, the assumption that anything that people who seem to have functional brains recommend is automatically to be disdained as "nonsense" probably doesn't really need comment.


Unfortunately, some people seem to take pride in their stunted emotional state.

I love Sherlock Holmes stories.
I've read all of Doyle's creations, many of the pastiches fashioned by other writers, and more recently watched the 2009 movie with Robert Downey Jr and Jude Law which turned them into hip crime fighters... honestly, most of it isn't very good and only a few works even worth mentioning. But I've also read Michael Chabon's The Final Solution, and that my friend is literature and well worth spending time with.

Michael Chabon is highbrow, he can turn well-worn tropes into literature and I would be lucky if I could get one-in-ten people on this forum to even consider reading him.

I think if we're talking about classics then it should be more than the influential impact a book has on other writers and how many copies were sold.
 
Just to confuse things more, we're talking about contemporary fantasy, not modern fantasy. The 'modern' era, at least from a literary perspective, is dated from around the time of the first English novel, Pamela by Samuel Richardson. It is a classic. It is also, by all accounts, one of the most boring books grad students have to read.

Randy M.
(no, I never attempted it)

I'm not sure why this would confuse anything. I never said "modern literature". I said modern classic; the definition of modern is contemporary. And it's absolutely clear from my original post what I meant.

Sometimes people can be too pretentious.
 
Michael Chabon is highbrow, he can turn well-worn tropes into literature and I would be lucky if I could get one-in-ten people on this forum to even consider reading him.

It's the no-swords and no-fireballs-to-the-face thing that does it, I think. I've read one of his books (Yiddish) and have Cavalier and Klay and Final Solution and Summerland on the shelf waiting for me. Really liked YPM, see no reason why I shouldn't like the others.
 
I'm not sure why this would confuse anything. I never said "modern literature". I said modern classic; the definition of modern is contemporary. And it's absolutely clear from my original post what I meant.

Sometimes people can be too pretentious.

Indeed. I think most of us where completely aware what you meant and didn't feel the need to waste any time arguing semantics.

As for the Chabon I sincerely could care less. Pulitzer Prize winner that's nice. Nothing about TAAKAC interests me. Trying to pawn it off as speculative fiction is nonsense.

Statements about a lack of fireballs and stunted emotional states are out of line, particularly the latter statement. Neither statement does anything to further any position. On the contrary that kind of typecasting will serve only to further isolate your position and most certainly will not encourage others to read or discuss the works that you are presenting.

I have read more books than I can remember in many genres. Science Fiction does little for me as such I am not the best person to discuss that particular branch of speculative fiction. I have been reading fantasy for a very long time and all I can tell you is that if you think talking rabbits merits the term "classic" by all means enjoy. And while I am familiar with a number of authors mentioned I could care less about the majority of them. I do prefer fantasy that is intellectually stimulating as well as entertaining BUT if I want intellectual stimulation for the sake of intellectual stimulation only I am not looking for fantasy to provide that.
 
It's the no-swords and no-fireballs-to-the-face thing that does it, I think. I've read one of his books (Yiddish) and have Cavalier and Klay and Final Solution and Summerland on the shelf waiting for me. Really liked YPM, see no reason why I shouldn't like the others.

I'm not making a conclusion as to what you're saying, Erfael, but it seems that there is a common assumption that stories with swords-and-fireballs are inherently low-brow. Now this may or may not be the case, but if it is than it means that the whole "Brow Spectrum" has nothing to do with quality or depth or characterization or anything meaningful or important outside of the purview of literature professors and literary critics.

Is there such a thing as high-brow epic secondary world fantasy? I'm not sure that there is, not unless it is ironic and/or satirical and/or subversive. But when you get into irony and satire you are stepping away from the immersion required for good secondary world fantasy.

I would suggest that high-and-low-browism doesn't really apply to fantasy as a whole. That when we start talking in terms of brows, we're not really talking about fantasy or using the language of fantasy - we're using the language of Literature as defined by university departments.

Fantasy is the literature of the imagination. "High-brow" literature is of another kind, another source; imagination is secondary, an affect, if you will. If you want to rationalize fantasy, to explain it with the rules of discursive reason, you start getting away from the essence of fantasy. Think of Ursula Le Guin's phrase, "the language of the night." Fantasy bubbles forth from Dark and Unseen Places.

Fantasy's equivalent to browism may be more in terms of archetypal, mythological resonance, depth if you will. But depth of what? Not semiotic complexity or allegorical cleverness; not linguistic sleight-of-hand or how-shocking-can-I-be-in-my-portrayal-of-the-darkness-of-human-nature. I would say it has something to do with the depth of being, of consciousness - and to what degree the work of fantasy is rooted in that depth, comes forth from it into the light of day, of conscious awareness.

To put it another way, (the equivalent of) "high-brow" fantasy are those works that speak from deep within us and communicate (call to) something deep within us. We may not understand what is being said, but it feels meaningful, is deeply beautiful, and carries the signature of mystery and magic.
 
To open another can of worms, as undeniably fantastic as Kavalier and Clay is, I'm not really sure it belongs in the SF or fantasy category.
 
Indeed. I think most of us where completely aware what you meant and didn't feel the need to waste any time arguing semantics.

As for the Chabon I sincerely could care less. Pulitzer Prize winner that's nice. Nothing about TAAKAC interests me. Trying to pawn it off as speculative fiction is nonsense.

That's the problem.
Chabon is twice the writer you're used to reading... and his work is Speculative Fiction as most of it falls under the heading of Alternate History. In general I hate AH stories, but again, Chabon is a writer of remarkable talent and he makes it work. The guy could make reading a cereal box interesting.

Statements about a lack of fireballs and stunted emotional states are out of line, particularly the latter statement. Neither statement does anything to further any position. On the contrary that kind of typecasting will serve only to further isolate your position and most certainly will not encourage others to read or discuss the works that you are presenting.

Think of it like The Scarlet Letter, another book I bet you wouldn't enjoy, perhaps you should have a 'S' sewn on your shirt.:)

I have read more books than I can remember in many genres. Science Fiction does little for me as such I am not the best person to discuss that particular branch of speculative fiction. I have been reading fantasy for a very long time and all I can tell you is that if you think talking rabbits merits the term "classic" by all means enjoy. And while I am familiar with a number of authors mentioned I could care less about the majority of them. I do prefer fantasy that is intellectually stimulating as well as entertaining BUT if I want intellectual stimulation for the sake of intellectual stimulation only I am not looking for fantasy to provide that.


You seem to have an axe to grind where more intellectual reading is involved... don't hate me jus cuz I'm into heavier fiction than you are.
I'm not saying that everyone should abstain from trashy material, I sure don't, but why not experiment a little, take a dive into fiction that explores deeper emotions, and is well written.

I guess some people are never meant to swim beyond the shallow end of the pool.
 
I'm not making a conclusion as to what you're saying, Erfael, but it seems that there is a common assumption that stories with swords-and-fireballs are inherently low-brow. Now this may or may not be the case, but if it is than it means that the whole "Brow Spectrum" has nothing to do with quality or depth or characterization or anything meaningful or important outside of the purview of literature professors and literary critics.

Just to be clear, I'm not implying anything about the "Brow Spectrum" either. That was in response to Sparrow saying he didn't think he could get 1 in 10 people on this forum to read something like Michael Chabon. I was, in a way, agreeing with his statement in that the vast majority of the people on this forum won't touch a book that isn't secondary-world fantasy...no value judgement attached. It's just my observation of it over the years I've been here. The swords/fireballs thing is just my bemusedly wry way of expressing that (actually an expression I've been throwing around for at least five years, if not more).

But I do agree with Sparrow in that I don't find that most of the secondary-world stuff (with the exception of a few stand-out works) stands by the non-secondary-world stuff. As much as I like reading some of them, I just don't find them as good (in a critical way) as things by Graham Joyce or John Crowley or others in that area that most fantasy fans refuse to count as fantasy, but which clearly have elements which are not of the everyday world...but no medieval weaponry or magic.
 
I guess some people are never meant to swim beyond the shallow end of the pool.

Given that you wrote this sentence, I assume you are unaware of how this attitude might be offensive and that your message might be lost because of the way you are presenting it?

Just to be clear, I'm not implying anything about the "Brow Spectrum" either. That was in response to Sparrow saying he didn't think he could get 1 in 10 people on this forum to read something like Michael Chabon. I was, in a way, agreeing with his statement in that the vast majority of the people on this forum won't touch a book that isn't secondary-world fantasy...no value judgement attached. It's just my observation of it over the years I've been here. The swords/fireballs thing is just my bemusedly wry way of expressing that (actually an expression I've been throwing around for at least five years, if not more).

Yes, I understood that.

But I do agree with Sparrow in that I don't find that most of the secondary-world stuff (with the exception of a few stand-out works) stands by the non-secondary-world stuff. As much as I like reading some of them, I just don't find them as good (in a critical way) as things by Graham Joyce or John Crowley or others in that area that most fantasy fans refuse to count as fantasy, but which clearly have elements which are not of the everyday world...but no medieval weaponry or magic.

Note your use of "in a critical way." My contention is that this sort of approach - judging fantasy by the same criteria as one would judge literary fiction - is misplaced and, overall, not worth the trouble, in a similar sense that many fantasy apologists bend over backwards trying to point out how some fantasy is worthy of literary attention.

As I see it, fantasy is more of a feel than a technical description. Michael Chabon doesn't feel like fantasy; his work includes elements that don't fit into our current modern ontological perspective, but the tone and feel is that of mainstream/mimetic literature. Now I wouldn't say that Chabon's mentioned works are not fantasy, or within the "fantasy nation," but that they are close to the border, so to speak.

But to judge, say, Steven Erikson by the same literary criteria as you might judge, say, Peter Carey or David Foster Wallace or Vladimir Nabokov, is to miss the point of what Erikson is doing, and I would say of what fantasy is. Judging Erikson or Bakker or Tolkien by "literary standards," that is "critically," is like judging jazz through the lens of a classical rubric, or saying that broccoli is gross because it isn't as sweet as pineapple. We're talking about two different beasts.

Now authors like Chabon and Crowley and numerous others are playing with the borderlands of fantasy and literature, but Erikson and Bakker are not. Certainly they are including elements that aren't common in traditional secondary world fantasy (like Bakker's incessant philosophizing or Erikson's general lack of clear good and evil characters), but they are still in the world of Fantasy, whereas Chabon and Crowley write more in our world, but with fantasy flavorings.

If we want to create a browism of fantasy, in particular secondary world fantasy (and I am not saying we should), I would suggest that we dissolve all critical literary criteria and start afresh. We might want to think in terms of verisimilitude and internal consistency, atmosphere, and the degree to which the world itself seems alive.

In the end, though, it is difficult to try to judge across authors. Compare two great Canadian authors, R Scott Bakker and Guy Gavriel Kay. Bakker's world is more deeply fantastical and atmospheric than Kay's slightly fantasized Medieval settings, but does that make Bakker's work better fantasy? Not necessarily; they're very different authors, with different emphases on different literary elements. I would even say that Bakker is closer to "true fantasy" and Kay is closer to Chabon and Crowley, that is literature with fantastical elements.

We could go and on with this. But my main point is this: We should not judge fantasy by the same criteria and standards as we might judge mimetic/mainstream literature. It is akin to a category error and missing the point--and potential--of what fantasy is, as the literature of imagination.
 
See, I view it a little differently than that. I don't find an inherent value in how convincing a world is or what the atmosphere is like. I find those things to be tools in the box. And on some level I judge pretty much any work in any genre on how well an author uses their tools to say something, to leave me with a new way of thinking about something. Some people will say it's pretentious of me, but I don't enjoy on as many levels as possible if it doesn't mean something to me.

It's one of the things I find most frustrating about secondary-world fantasy, actually. It is a literature of imagination. But so many works feel constrained by the tropes. Sure, there are changes here or differences there, but those bits aren't being used to say a whole lot. It's interesting that you argue that Guy Kay is closer to literature than fantasy, as he was one person on the secondary-world end of the spectrum that I had coming to mind who I feel uses his fantastic elements (his tools) to build themes and ideas in his work. And his work sticks with me over the years. (Donaldson is another for whom I feel this is true.)

At the risk of a lynching, I'll say other authors pale over time for me. Don't get me wrong. I like reading, say, Martin or Abercrombie or some of the others mentioned here, but I don't feel those works say anything to me. Things happen in a fantasy world. But that world isn't being used to argue a case or make a point. So no matter how much I like some of them, they're missing a component in my mind.

In a genre where anything is possible, where any idea can be explored outside the constraints of our mundane world, why are so many works so similar? Why does the discussion come back time and again to works with horses and swords and kings? Again, I like reading some of that sometimes, but it's limited...it's putting itself in a box. It's handicapping itself in the kind of story it can tell.

I have more to say, but have a student coming in now. I'll try to say more later.
 
Well said, Erfael, and I agree. Actually, as someone who loves the secondary world form I find the published limitations of the sub-genre to be quite frustrating. While I don't think this problem is inherent to the format (of a secondary world), it certainly seems that the sub-genre is particularly prone to mediocrity.

On the other hand, this also means that the form still has a lot of potential and hasn't really been tapped. I'm not sure exactly why that is, although it probably has much to do with economics. Either writers aren't testing the boundaries or publishers are buying books that tests the boundaries; probably some of both.

I think it also has something to do with Tolkien and the feeling that everyone is standing in the shadow of the Master. Tolkien put so much time and love into his creation, in a way that few (if any) are able or willing to do, from his unparalleled use of languages to his deep history to his exquisite landscapes. Too many young authors fall into the trap of trying to be Tolkien rather than trying to be who they are. This gets watered down as new generations try to be Jordan or try to be Martin or Erikson (and soon, Rothfuss). Now of course the commonality with all of those authors is that they created something new, something unique. Not without derivation, but all of them had their own unique flavor and qualities.

As for your remarks about Kay and Donaldson, I think it has something to do with what the primary concern of the story is. Is it on the people and their psychological dynamics? That is the case with both of those authors, which is why they are closer to literature, in my opinion. Is it on the world itself and great events unfolding? That's epic fantasy. I can't remember who said it, but I like the notion that in epic secondary world fantasy, the world itself is the main character. While I wouldn't state that as an absolute rule, I think it has a lot of truth.

One of the unique qualities of R Scott Bakker's work is that he tries to do both, especially with Achamian. That sort of introspection from a secondary world fantasy protagonist is rare, indeed. (David Zindell tried to do it with his Ea Cycle, but he got caught in his own trap - that of trying to write a Big Fat Fantasy in first person. Bad mistake).
 
NOTE: When I get a few minutes later, I'll come break out this side discussion into its own thread, as it's meandered off into other things.

In carrying on my earlier post a bit, all that's exactly why I think these things should be judged on similar (not necessarily exactly the same) bases. Without trying to deal with issues, it is just a bunch of floofy fairy people in the woods or guys riding around on horses bashing people. And fantasy has better tools to explore ideas than other genres. It's not surprising that people looking deeper than plot and world-building are dissatisfied by fantasy.

Going to your Bakker idea, I agree. He's working to do things we're not seeing from other people. And I'd argue that he's using his fantasy aspects well here. He's using his secondary world to explore the idea of the Dunyain and how their introduction would affect a society. He's also exploring the layers underlying human consciousness. But he also did this second thing in Neuropath, arguably to better effect. I don't think he's quite found the sweet spot in his other books yet, but he may yet. In that case, I think he may have a classic on his hands.

There's the argument to be made (which I think you touch upon, Alchemist) that fantasy can be a feeling or type of writing that affects people deeply. And I certainly feel that it can. It can have the same effect that myths did in earlier times, that tying in to deep-seated images and ideas and exploring them symbolically to suss out ideas about the way people work. But I don't see much of that either. It's mostly just cool crap happening.

(This is the bit where I earn my lynching, I think.)

It's why I don't feel even something like Martin's ASoIaF should be considered a classic. Through three books there's not a lot going on under the hood. It's a hugely entertaining series. It has interesting plot and political structure a-plenty. But to go deeper than that, I don't find a lot there. Sure, vague notions about honor or duty or greyness...but it's thin. He says far more in Fevre Dream's scant few hundred pages than he does in three doorstoppers of epic fantasy.

More kids coming...need to go again.
 
Note your use of "in a critical way." My contention is that this sort of approach - judging fantasy by the same criteria as one would judge literary fiction - is misplaced and, overall, not worth the trouble, in a similar sense that many fantasy apologists bend over backwards trying to point out how some fantasy is worthy of literary attention.

As I see it, fantasy is more of a feel than a technical description. Michael Chabon doesn't feel like fantasy; his work includes elements that don't fit into our current modern ontological perspective, but the tone and feel is that of mainstream/mimetic literature. Now I wouldn't say that Chabon's mentioned works are not fantasy, or within the "fantasy nation," but that they are close to the border, so to speak.

But to judge, say, Steven Erikson by the same literary criteria as you might judge, say, Peter Carey or David Foster Wallace or Vladimir Nabokov, is to miss the point of what Erikson is doing, and I would say of what fantasy is. Judging Erikson or Bakker or Tolkien by "literary standards," that is "critically," is like judging jazz through the lens of a classical rubric, or saying that broccoli is gross because it isn't as sweet as pineapple. We're talking about two different beasts.

Now authors like Chabon and Crowley and numerous others are playing with the borderlands of fantasy and literature, but Erikson and Bakker are not. Certainly they are including elements that aren't common in traditional secondary world fantasy (like Bakker's incessant philosophizing or Erikson's general lack of clear good and evil characters), but they are still in the world of Fantasy, whereas Chabon and Crowley write more in our world, but with fantasy flavorings.

If we want to create a browism of fantasy, in particular secondary world fantasy (and I am not saying we should), I would suggest that we dissolve all critical literary criteria and start afresh. We might want to think in terms of verisimilitude and internal consistency, atmosphere, and the degree to which the world itself seems alive.

In the end, though, it is difficult to try to judge across authors. Compare two great Canadian authors, R Scott Bakker and Guy Gavriel Kay. Bakker's world is more deeply fantastical and atmospheric than Kay's slightly fantasized Medieval settings, but does that make Bakker's work better fantasy? Not necessarily; they're very different authors, with different emphases on different literary elements. I would even say that Bakker is closer to "true fantasy" and Kay is closer to Chabon and Crowley, that is literature with fantastical elements.

We could go and on with this. But my main point is this: We should not judge fantasy by the same criteria and standards as we might judge mimetic/mainstream literature. It is akin to a category error and missing the point--and potential--of what fantasy is, as the literature of imagination.

Without question the best post I have ever read during my time here at sffworld.com. I agree on every level and have tried expressing a similar viewpoint although not nearly as well done as you have. THIS is exactly how I feel about this issue. Literary Fiction can borrow fantastic elements and still remain literary fiction. Speculative Fiction, in particular Fantasy, is very much it's own animal. The problem is that academia is intrinsically high brow. It craves definition and structure. So the only works of fantasy that get critical acclaim within the academic world are almost always works of Literary Fiction painted with a light coat of the fantastic. Speculative Fiction can be just as relevant and just as powerful but it isn't defined by the same metrics as Literary Fiction and as such it shouldn't be judged the same way. I do not want Fantasy to mimic Literary Fiction. In fact the further Speculative Fiction moves away from Literary Fiction the better it gets.

Bravo. Really there is nothing more I could add. A perfect post.

Peace
 
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He says far more in Fevre Dream's scant few hundred pages than he does in three doorstoppers of epic fantasy.

More kids coming...need to go again.
I was going to ask if you'd read Fevre Dream or Wind Haven when you suggested that Martin work didn't "say anything."
 
Oy.

My contention is that this sort of approach - judging fantasy by the same criteria as one would judge literary fiction - is misplaced and, overall, not worth the trouble, in a similar sense that many fantasy apologists bend over backwards trying to point out how some fantasy is worthy of literary attention.

That is a fine, pure specimen of why "fantasy" remains the butt of so much scorn from outside. What do you suppose the criteria by which one judges "literary fiction" to be, and why are they not applicable to fantastic fiction? You are, in one extended sentence, damning all readers of what you feel "fantasy" is to the status of semi-literate apes who can only understand and enjoy the childishly simple and simplistic.

A tale is a tale. Whether it is set in an alternate history, or an alternate world where magic works, or in an apartment building down the block where everything is ordinary, are things that don't matter to the quality of the tale. It is certainly possible and reasonable to have a taste for tales with exotic settings, but separating out tales by setting type is a vertical segregation; separating them by the quality of the work is a horizontal segregation. The two are utterly unrelated.

Generally, what do we want of a book? Traditionally--and I think it a sound tradition--four things: plot, characters, setting, and language. For the first three, we want coherence, plausibility (within the context of the tale--internal consistency), richness and depth; for the last, we want words and phrases that well lay out the first three elements without grating on our sensibilities, and preferably by pleasing them. The more the elements of the tale expand our feelings about and our understandings of, as Douglas Adams famously and charmingly put it, Life, the Universe, and Everything, the better the tale is.

Those requirements are not different for any given genre (even, or especially, if we include "mainstream" as just another genre): they are the universal lifeblood of tale-telling.

But there is a fact, possibly an ugly fact, that needs to be recognized. Borrowing from an earlier dialogue on the topic, if one sneaks up behind a human and behind a cow, and in each case swats the unsuspecting subject across the rear with a stick, the emotional reactions of the two are probably going to be much alike. But if we walk up to each and say I will show you fear in a handful of dust, their emotional reactions will be utterly incommensurable. Literature is, of all the arts, the one that absolutely requires intellect for participation. Music, dance, sculpture, painting, and the rest of the Muses' domains--all of them are augmented by some intellectual comprehension of the art, but appeal chiefly and originally to the senses: a child or an idiot can enjoy them to a substantial degree; maybe even a cow. Not so with reading.

In the very first place, one has to comprehend the meaning of the arbitrary sounds or images that constitute language. But it goes beyond that: even equipped with a sound dictionary, a reader is limited in what he or she can get out of a tale by his or her ability to translate the author's sentences into the thoughts and emotions the author intended. Naturally, one can unload no more freight than the author laded the tale with; but if it is heavily laden, not all readers have the equipment to shift the full weight of the cargo.

That is not a politically correct view. We are constantly bombarded with minor variations on the idea that everyone is exactly equal to everyone else. In a free society, that is true in the moral and legal senses; beyond those, it is patent nonsense. I am not equal to Barry Bonds at playing baseball; I am not equal to Jack Vance at writing; there is a virtual infinity of things at which each of us is manifestly and nontrivially less competent than some, perhaps many other folk out there. It would be folly to pretend that that is not so of the sorts of abilities wanted to fully absorb what authors of great ability can put into fictions.

I cannot see how anyone could disagree with that elementary proposition. The problem that arises does so because wit (like various other cards from the deck of Fate) has been falsely associated with personal merit in some vague, unspecified manner. To have even the slightest implication offered that one's wit is not equal to or superior to some other one's wit is, sad to say, seen as a deadly insult. No one would be insulted by having it remarked that he or she is not as tall as Manute Bol; but imply that he or she is not as smart as even Marilyn vos Savant, and you have trouble on your hands.

But if there is no harm or demerit in not being at the acme of reading comprehension, there is harm in disputing in consequence that there is no such differential, that it's "all subjective, all personal taste". That severely bemeans the abilities of both authors and readers of a certain sort. Now as someone or t'other once remarked, "There is nothing in this world that anyone is obliged to like," and I wish more people would take that to heart. No one in his right mind contends that not liking any given work commonly held to be of meritorious quality somehow damns the non-liker. What damns is a campaign to assert that the work is inherently unlikeable, that those who do like it are pretenders and poetasters: in a word, fakers. Or, not much different, that they have tastes for things frivolous and immaterial to the quality of--in this case--a fiction.

Being able to make the distinction between a work one likes and a work of quality is extrememly important. I like quite a few works that I recognize as being of poor quality, but which have some quirk that appeals to me. I would not recommend them to others, because i recognize that my liking is based on some personal quirk, not any general inhering quality in the work. Likewise, there are works that I can recognize as being of excellence, and which I would recommend, but which I myself do not enjoy much owing, again, to some personal quirk. It is when we try to expand our set of quirks to the status of universality that we err.

That problem is exacerbated when people who find that they share some quirks of taste congregate. Then the Jonestown phenomenon arises: like speaks to like, and soon all are persuaded that because they agree, they are perforce correct. The more the world begs to differ, the more hardened the opposition to the ways of the word becomes. Sentences like those atop this post appear.

To outsiders--those who, in this case, do not read speculative fiction--the matter is of little interest or significance. They are wrong in their appraisals of the quality of speculative fiction, which are like judging mainstream literature solely by a selection from supermarket paperback racks; but when they find the readership itself fervently disclaiming connection with literate writing, what else are they to think? The problem is that to insiders--those who read and write speculative fiction of quality--that is damaging. It is damaging not because of the sneering attitude of folk like Gina Bellafante (as being discussed on another thread here) matters, but because it reduces the market value of speculative-fiction works, and hence punishes the authors of it, and indirectly (by reducing the enticement to write such under-valued work), the availability of it to readers.

As I said, I regard all this as blindingly self-evident, but I suspect it will be a poke to a hornets' nest.
 

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