A Sci Fi Reading Odyssey - 50 Novels

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The Forever War by Joe Haldeman [1974]
Thomas Dunne Books
264 pages
Reader Response by Matt H. [v 1.26] from Reading Odyssey
Rating: Recommended

Story Summary

Earth is at war with the Taurans, a technologically advanced alien race. The war is fought over interstellar distances by means of “collapsars” and therefore involves timelines modified by the laws of relativity. One month for a soldier traveling through the collapsar can mean decades back on Earth, or more.

One military recruit is William Mandella. Selected along with his comrades for high intelligence, education, fitness and mental toughness, he will be part of an elite unit which will engage directly with the Taurans. Though also highly disinclined, when not on duty, the equally numbered male and female troops fraternize and engage in recreational sex. This is encouraged by the military authorities and even legally reenforced.

Mandella's training on icy, desolate Charon is horrific. There are appalling casualties due to the extreme hazards of super-low temperature and solidified landscapes of hydrogen or helium. The soldiers use “fighting suits” that protect them and amplify their strength. However one false step in using the suit can mean instant death.

The Taurans are formidable in many ways, but not invincible. Mandella fights several land engagements with the enemy, up close. The war drags on and on through decades and then centuries. But Mandella is still in the fray after several tours. He remains young through the effects of relatively. Between two of his tours, he visits his mother on Earth. His home world is racked with violence and even a degree of chaos. Mandella also sees progressively more drastic changes in human society – including new trends in sexual orientation, especially as it relates to overpopulation. Toward his later military career, he returns to a world of direct genetic modification and synthetic reproduction.

Finally Mandella arrives in the distant future where he will receive a message from a long lost companion. He will also learn some devastating facts about the centuries long war in which he has just played a major part!

Critical Reader Response

This book immediately immersed me into a gritty, soldier-story reality. It did a great job of keeping up the pace and was actually hard to put down at times. That’s high praise. It also held together as a story, even wedding the spaceship soldier-story to the earthbound civilian story excellently; it was meaningful but not grossly moralizing. Though, some may cite one exception suggested, which I will discuss below.

Haldeman’s style is super lean and mean. It’s action-packed, to-the-point and virtually devoid of decoration. The story line and dialog too are also almost perfectly clear and easy to read. The first section is pure soldier-story. It tells of the terrifying training on icy Charon and describes some accidents in fairly gory detail. The narrator is smart, tough but humane, just like you want him to be. There’s an authentic military, G.I. feeling evoked by the lingo as well as the particular observations and situation. It has a first-hand ring of reality. The fight is often more against the harsh environment and dangerous equipment than it is directly with the enemy. There are quite a few horrible injuries described in authoritative-sounding medical detail. One is when Mandella’s favorite woman, Marygay is partially crushed during an acceleration. The rest of the speculative science is also very plausible-sounding, and comes in just the right amount to support the story. The Earth scenes, and in fact all the non-soldier scenes, were also vivid and inventive, and for the most part also exciting to read. I was wondering how the author would blend the two, but he did it brilliantly!

The only loose ends I could think of are partly a matter of preference and opinion. Though not a huge deal, I really wanted to know more about the cow-like creatures Mandella encounters on his first combat mission. They had an intriguing physicality (though gruesomely revealed). It was hinted that they had some greater significance in the story (most of all by the brain-related death of the female soldier), but nothing was later revealed about them or how or why the soldier had died. Also, I admit I wanted a little more direct contact with the Taurans. Their description was interesting, but a little more would have been welcome. The twist regarding the war is fairly obviously foreshadowed several times before the ending. These minor points are far from decisive though, in evaluating this book.

Also I think the jury is out on whether free sex would strengthen or weaken a military unit. Of course we are talking about the future, so people could have a more detached notion of sex. Contra this however, the book says that the men would mutiny if not allowed some monogamy after they had established long-term partners. Again, it’s not explicitly stated, but there is only mention of hetero-sexuality in the first chunk of the timeline. In the later sections, I found the reversal of the prevalent straight-gay expectation in society was imaginative.

Perhaps weakest as a concept is the idea of enforcing homosexuality (even on test-tube clones?) as a means of population control. Why not eliminate the sex-drive all together or breed or force sterility? How about expansion or resettlement on other planets? Or just simply a one child legal limit? Seems an odd solution when you think about it.

Sexual orientation is a prominent sub-theme in the book. The narrator is frankly and un-apologetically straight, and this bias enters into his narrator’s thoughts. But for me on first reading, it had a semi-humorous, soldierly and non-phobic tone to it. Though he acts tolerant, and says he’s tolerant, upon psychological examination, Mandella learns that he only thinks he’s tolerant. This I think shows extra sophistication on the theme. But in light of the resolution of Mandella’s friend, Charlie’s story, a deeper objection could be made – because of the apparent representation of sexual orientation as a choice and not as an inherent quality.

I have some difficultly in seeing the book as a veiled anti-gay tract. It just doesn’t have that tone. For me it’s a side theme that is handled imaginatively and ambiguously, but perhaps reflects some bias too. I certainly recommend this book as a fun read. It’s a page-turner. It’s realistic; it’s a good story! It also has enough of the speculative and imaginative to make it firmly Sci Fi. In fairness though, darker readings are possible, especially in light of a single passage describing an orgy, that tells us female soldiers are required by law to be "promiscuous and compliant."
 
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Lots of fair comment, Matt: can't disagree with what you've said. I was enthralled by the book on first reading - I enjoyed it more than Starship Troopers, I thought at the time (quite a revelation to my 15-16 year old self). But then it was inspired by Joe's Vietnam experiences. As for the 'anti-gay message', I agree with you. Whilst the book has got criticism lately for it having few female characters and being anti-gay, I see it as a book published in the 1970s, and as such was pushing the envelope a little (but not too much - that was not its main point.)

You have to be so careful putting modern values on older works.
 
This book immediately immersed me into a gritty, soldier-story reality. It did a great job of keeping up the pace and was actually hard to put down at times. That’s high praise. .

Agreed, I also thought there was rarely a dull moment throughout the whole novel.
Also I think the jury is out on whether free sex would strengthen or weaken a military unit. Of course we are talking about the future, so people could have a more detached notion of sex. Contra this however, the book says that the men would mutiny if not allowed some monogamy after they had established long-term partners.
For me the issue was the approach the author made on this topic, some of the passages in the story I found a bit cringe-worthy, like:
"The orgy that night was amusing, but it was like trying to sleep in the middle of a raucous beach party. The only area big enough to sleep all of us was the dining hall; they draped a few bedsheets here and there for privacy, then unleashed Stargate's eighteen sex-starved men on our women, compliant and promiscuous by military custom (and law), but desiring nothing so much as sleep on solid ground.
The eighteen men acted as if they were compelled to try as many permutations as possible, and their performance was impressive (in a strictly quantitative sense, that is). Those of us who were keeping count led a cheering section for some of the more gifted members. I think that's the right word."


I can't see female readers warming to the novel as they read sections like this!
Perhaps weakest as a concept is the idea of enforcing homosexuality (even on test-tube clones?) as a means of population control.

Agree as well, found this a bit far-fetched, especially when Mandella returns a couple hundred years after the first mission and finds 60% of the Earth's population is now homosexual!

On the whole though for me it was very readable (with a few misgivings - allowing for the 70's!)
 
... our women, compliant and promiscuous by military custom (and law...
Westy thanks very much for the comments. I noticed the phrase above too and it really bothered me. I had it mentioned in an earlier version of the review, but I cut it out because I couldn't remember if it said just women were compliant by law or BOTH were. (I'm supposed to do my review from memory/impression to greatest extent possible.) You are right to point it out. Occasionally the book has a bit of the straight-boy fantasy to it, but looks like me, you and Mark all agree, homophobia is not really the main point of the book.

Thanks again for reading the review!

I'm on to Left Hand of Darkness now.... I'm trying to alternate styles and themes as I go through the list, and I succeeded this time. There could hardly be a more different book from Haldeman's than Left Hand!
 
That's a fair assessment of The Forever War, Matt. His combat experience is apparent in his writing giving the reader a sense of being there. I was a bit young when I read this book and the sex and homosexuality were a bit lost on me at the time. I just remember enjoying the book very much and always recommend it regardless of its faults.
 
Books!

I just ordered these and I’m squealing like a pig-man over here in anticipation!

The Other Side of Here, Leinster [1936]
I need 30’s novels. Leinster is certainly a known name in Sci Fi., but I have modest expectations for this one. It’s also super-short. Physical book looks cool though. My first Ace Double D-94! (other book is “One against Eternity” Still not grasping the exact format of this paperback, but I guess I'll find out.)

Lest Darkness Fall, Sprauge de Camp [1939]
I have no “alternative timeline” books in the list, and I also again need more books from the 30’s. This one fits both and is on every list of 30’s books…

The Puppet Masters, Heinlein [1951]
Always wanted to read this. It’s going to be a comfort book. I have no idea what to expect except invasion from within. Can’t wait to inspect that old-timey Dell cover art.

The Long Tomorrow, Brackett [1955]
I have no “post-nuclear” books on my list. This fits well in a time-slot. It’s got a good reputation. I expect a fairly realistic “regular fiction” take. Also by a female writer. Need more of them!

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Heinlein [1966]
Found this in cheep paperback. I need more 60’s novels and this is one of Heinlein’s biggies. We were talking about this in an earlier thread. If by any chance I don’t love it, will keep my mouth shut, khe, khe, khe…

The Pillars of Eternity, Bayley [1982]
Have no idea whatsoever about anything related to this, except it was mentioned a few times in the great thread I have linked below. Admission—Never heard of this writer or book until you guys. I trust at the least it will be interesting. I like the fact that it is in a way influential, but is also lesser-known today.

Ordering soon, probably…
  • Space Beagle
  • Paradox men
  • Downbelow Station
  • The Space Merchants
  • Destiny Times Three
  • More Than Human
  • The Crucible of Time
  • Earth Abides
  • The Dragon Master (want a Vance, suggestions?)
Suggestions?
  • A P.K Dick novel from 60’s or early 70’s (suggestions?) –Dr. Futurity, Martian Time Slip, Crack in Space??
  • A Farmer novel… The Gate of Time? (self-contained novel, pre-1985)
Got lots of ideas from this great thread:

Classic authors who you like(d) and who have been pretty much forgotten.

Thanks Pogo and gang!
 
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  • A P.K Dick novel from 60’s or early 70’s (suggestions?) –Dr. Futurity, Martian Time Slip, Crack in Space??
  • A Farmer novel… The Gate of Time? (self-contained novel, pre-1985)


  • Crack in Space is not a good thing. I hear the same about Dr Futurity. Martian Time Slip is likely the one from this group. I've read most of them, and that's a pretty interesting PKD novel IMO.
 
  • ...Martian Time Slip is likely the one from this group. I've read most of them, and that's a pretty interesting PKD novel IMO.

Thanks, Arthur! I will probally order that one. PK Dick wrote a lot more books than I thought, including some novels from the time-period I need to fill in. I'm assuming for Sci Fi history, his influence extends beyond Do Androids? Maybe he's more known for stories than novels. But will order MTS and check it out! (You should get a kickback from Amazon... You recommend, I buy! Mark too.)

It's a cool thing to have access to such expertise from you and the gang. :cool: :) Thanks!
 
some of the passages in the story I found a bit cringe-worthy, like:
... our women, compliant and promiscuous by military custom (and law)"

I can't see female readers warming to the novel as they read sections like this!
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Westy, still mulling this. It's such an unfortunate passage, for a book with many virtues. But I agree, it's really intolerable. So I guess the female soldiers were essentially sex slaves, and that was a good thing? The orgy part just shows me that the narrator is kind of a gross guy, but the "by law" is just too much. Why the hec didn't Haldeman see the problem with that?

As I said there are other indications of a straight-boy fantasy too, such as when he is surrounded by "acres" of naked female flesh as he describes it. The things one will overlook, or even submerge when reading an otherwise good story.. Looks like the worst of the problems peeking through is not mainly homophobia but sexism.

I'm going to make some modest changes to the review to reflect this. I defend this edit by repeating.. I did notice this passage on first reading, but I admittedly I let the horrible significance of this single passage slide...

Our only defense is that the book is not substantially about the fact that women should be "compliant" and that men should be straight, these don't seem to be the point, it's far more sophisticated. On the other hand, sometimes with books, it takes a while for something negative and yucky to become clearer. Further thought sometimes deepens the negative impression. Too bad!
 
Just because it's there does not mean that the author condones it. When I read it, it was a sneaky little phrase that I thought was expected to shock. The fact that Mandela speaks of it as a normal part of life tells us about both Mandela and the society around him.

Having said that it is based on some of Haldeman's experience of Vietnam, I believe that there are instances of women being part of the support network for soldiers in Asia. Ford Coppola hinted at this in Apocalypse Now, too. Going further back there were the infamous 'Joy Divisions' of the Germans in World War 2.... Haldeman's point may be that such things have not really changed... but that doesn't mean to say that he agrees with it!
 
Just because it's there does not mean that the author condones it...
Thanks for the comment. Sure, I agree there's always plenty of wiggle-room. And there should be.

But on the other hand a darker reading would be: "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if the military was co-ed and the women were forced by law to have sex with as many men as possible? Wouldn't that make a great unit?" It's really a pretty gross scene where the randy male solders are "un-leashed" on the females who just want to go to sleep, but are required by law to participate in an orgy. You may say it's not condoning it, but there is not a trace of criticism even hinted at, and the unit cohesiveness, male and female is portrayed as being good and effective. Even in 1974, surprised writer or editor didn't see any problem, at least with that one passage and the "by law".

(added) Also, remember, these are not "comfort women", they are battlefield soldiers, who get killed quite a bit, and militarily, are equal fighting comrades of the males.
 
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You may say it's not condoning it, but there is not a trace of criticism even hinted at, and the unit cohesiveness, male and female is portrayed as being good and effective. Even in 1974, surprised writer or editor didn't see any problem, at least with that one passage and the "by law".
Again - perhaps meant to shock. Sometimes the author/editor/publisher leaves things for the reader to make judgments on - they don't join all the dots for the reader. (Actually, that's something more and more writers do for the readers these days - over and over and over again. But that's a discussion for another time.)
 
Thanks, Arthur! I will probally order that one. PK Dick wrote a lot more books than I thought, including some novels from the time-period I need to fill in.
Yeah he wrote a ton of books. I usually follow Lawrence Sutin's rating guide at the end of his bio Divine Invasions. He was a good guide through PKD's stuff. I'm actually at the dregs now, which can get wicked bad. Just finished Our Friends From Frolix 8. That's awful. Certainly the worst of his I've read. So far. It's as if that book was written by the Robert Downey character -James Barris in A Scanner Darkly. Just full blown amphetamine motored gibberish...
Some people treat it like a regular SF novel and I'm damned if I see it...back and forth -constantly second guessing everything he wrote two paragraphs before...it gave me a headache...a speed freak jabbering in your ear...
 
I may have mentioned this before, but PKD is one of my personal blind spots. Not found a novel of his that has totally worked for me, sadly, despite trying lots.

I quite like his short stories though, even though he tends to repeat the same ideas over and over. Small doses of PKD work better for me.
..a speed freak jabbering in your ear...
Well, of course, that may be intentional, both as a character and a reflection of PKD when he wrote it.... :)
 
Again - perhaps meant to shock...
Yep, something to consider. The 70's was a time with the sexual revolution in full swing. it seemed everyone knew the future would certainly equal free sex for all! (didn't turn out to be that simple) So maybe this is a kind of "predictive" theme in many books of the time.
 
Well, of course, that may be intentional, both as a character and a reflection of PKD when he wrote it.... :)
Definitely a reflection of when he wrote it. This is the book he wrote directly before A SCANNER DARKLY, so from that novel, we know where his head was at!!
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So maybe this is a kind of "predictive" theme in many books of the time.

It perhaps also suggests some of the consequences of a society degraded by constant war.... or dealing with the aftermath of that war...
 
It perhaps also suggests some of the consequences of a society degraded by constant war.... or dealing with the aftermath of that war...
Sure. Also legit as a point.... Like every described phenomena, part of the scene-setting and world-building.
 
I may have mentioned this before, but PKD is one of my personal blind spots. Not found a novel of his that has totally worked for me, sadly, despite trying lots.
Mark, remember if you've read Martian Time Slip? Did you find it among the more tolerable? Also, whether good or bad, is there something about PKD's style (talking his 60-70's novels) that is different? Or, do you mean, (when it's not good), it's like an inferior version of X?
 

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