Kingkiller Chronicles Speculation (Spoilers for both books)

[Bigchipper]

Here's my theory: Rothfuss has gotten so wrapped up in his fame, he's forgotten how to write and thus we will never see the end of the Kingkiller Chronicles (or so it feels).

 

[Nincompoop]

Lorren

Hi, another fly here

I wanted to go back to Lorren once more.
It was already pointed out, that he disturbed Kvothe more than once from obtaining information on the Amyr. Once he told him he should try not to make the appearance he believed in such storys and the other time he suspended him for loud talking. Not to mention he banned him from the archives, though that doesn't have to be related.

But I wanted to point out his odd behaviour during Kvothes first addmissions.
First he coincidentally visits Tarbean the next day and offers to pick up Kvothes copy of "Rhetoric and Logic" and then he gets suprised by the name "Arliden" and even asks about him. It is quite obvious, that there is some connection.
My favourite guess is, that Abenthy is one of Lorrens Scrivs looking for stories, who later told Lorren about Arlidens curiosity about the Amyr. Arliden might have found something rather interessting to stick in Lorrens memory. Thus Lorren would be interested in Kvothes "Rhetoric and Logic" since Abenthy is his scriv, he would make the connection to Arliden (though I don't know why he should call him "the Bard") and he would have a reason to be carefull about Kvothes interest in Storys about the Amyr/Chandrian.
Another guess is, that Lorren knows more about the circumstances of Arlidens death, which would promote theories of him being one of the Amyr. But I don't know how his offer to reclaim Kvothes copy of "Rhetoric and Logic" fits in there. However, he might indeed just happen to visit Tarbean the next day.

Well, hope I gave you some room for speculations and hope my english wasn't too bad. ^^
And one more thing: "Broken Tree" might refer to Master Ash. I prefer the Sword Tree and Cthaeh theories but I wanted to mention it anyways.

 

[Twinner]

Here's my theory: Rothfuss has gotten so wrapped up in his fame, he's forgotten how to write and thus we will never see the end of the Kingkiller Chronicles (or so it feels).

I loved NoTW so much that I would be counting the minutes until book 3 ... had I not read book 2. WMF just never worked for me in some ways. It seemed like 500 pages of story in 1000 pages of words. For example, Kvothe's interlude with the Fey... went on and on and on way too long and yet stuff I wanted to know about (such as Kvothe defending himself at his trial) got no words at all. My hope is that if Rothfuss has forgotten how to write (as suggested above) it might have happened during WMF. If that happened, and I'm not saying it did, my hope is that he remembers how for the final book. I began to think in the more long-winded parts of WMF that perhaps he is putting two books worth of story in to 3 books.
In any case I enjoyed NoTW enough that I will buy his next book in spite of his last and that is what counts I guess.

It is odd that when the first book was released I think I read that Rothfuss said somewhere that all three books were already written. I know that did not mean they were at their finished edit but... how's that going all these years later?

 

[MarkoF]

I loved NoTW so much that I would be counting the minutes until book 3 ... had I not read book 2. WMF just never worked for me in some ways. It seemed like 500 pages of story in 1000 pages of words. For example, Kvothe's interlude with the Fey... went on and on and on way too long and yet stuff I wanted to know about (such as Kvothe defending himself at his trial) got no words at all. My hope is that if Rothfuss has forgotten how to write (as suggested above) it might have happened during WMF. If that happened, and I'm not saying it did, my hope is that he remembers how for the final book. I began to think in the more long-winded parts of WMF that perhaps he is putting two books worth of story in to 3 books.
In any case I enjoyed NoTW enough that I will buy his next book in spite of his last and that is what counts I guess.

It is odd that when the first book was released I think I read that Rothfuss said somewhere that all three books were already written. I know that did not mean they were at their finished edit but... how's that going all these years later?

Many people are complaining about WMF and especially the Felurian part. Which I just don't get. It was an awesome part, that added much to the lore and understanding of the world. Its dreamlike atmosphere was precisely right to depict the Fey realms properly. The only streched part I found in WMF was the initial University one, but the book in whole is almost as good as NotW.

As for the whole story being already written, he did mention something like that, but I think that was more of a general first draft of the story. Cause the first draft of WMF didn't have several characters and many of the scenes that were in the final book.

 

[Palfrey]

Here's my theory: Rothfuss has gotten so wrapped up in his fame, he's forgotten how to write and thus we will never see the end of the Kingkiller Chronicles (or so it feels).

I am just about done reading TWMF and I agree that it's much longer than it should have been. I can't decide whether the Fae part or the Ademre part tried my patience more. I still like the story and the writing, but even good stories can overstay their welcome.

I'm not much for speculation, but I think Kvothe's story is/will mirror that of Lanre. Cinder is Denna's patron, and in trying to save her/kill him Kvothe will end up doing something that causes the world great harm and results in the loss of his powers. As the Cthaeh warned us, the story is fundamentally a tragedy.


EDIT: The biggest question I have about the series is; what are the Chandrian so afraid of? It seems that the Fae can hurt them, but there must be more to it than that or why would they bother staying hidden?

 

[mcmillap]

Auri/Denna

I have posted before with some weak guesses at things; and for that, I apologize. My newest theory just might blow your mind a little:

What if Denna is not the main love interest that we have all come to expect? What if the main female figure in this story is Auri?

When reading NOTW for the third time, it occurred to me that neither Bast or Kvothe say Denna's name in the present when describing the main woman, "the woman" as quoted by Kvothe. When telling his story, is purposely playing his love interest in Denna up for a dramatic Edema Ruh trouper twist in the third day of telling his story?

The vague nature of his opening to "the woman" and the ridiculous nature of how Rothfus has driven home Denna as a potential lover could be leading up to an amazing surprise in the third book. Denna is certainly central to the story, but haven't we seen more of Auri? Doesn't she appear to be more likely linked to the supernatural aspects of the 4 Corners?

I would love feedback on this theory. Have fun mulling it over!

 

[KatG]

I've read Wise Man's Fear now, so I'm more caught up. It's quite different in structure from Name of the Wind but thematically connected. It's a series of tales, hero's journeys, that each tackle various iconic themes and attributes of both myths and modern fantasy fiction (and that's why it's so long. It has a few things in common with Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susannah Clarke in approach.) The satiric commentary in Wise Man's Fear is more subtle and less central. There's a lot of it in the fae story, which made me like that much more than the martial arts trial storyline. (It also had a lot more useful info.)

There seems to be a number of different ways the story could go. I don't think Ambrose will be a king. I think the king will be someone Kvothe cares about and trusts. I do not see Auri and Denna as one character. Both are separate and have different functions. However, I don't think that Denna is necessarily going to be Kvothe's love interest, in the end, beyond being the object of his affection. In this second book, it is more clear that she is not interested in Kvothe as a love interest, though she cares for him. She is interested in pumping him for information. And he is coming to see her as more of a three-dimensional person.

 

[Stew]

"On his first hand he wore rings of stone,
Iron, amber, wood and bone.
There were rings unseen on his second hand.
One was blood in a flowing band.
One of air all whisper thin,
And the ring of ice had a flaw within.
Full faintly shone the ring of flame,
and the final ring was without name."

I always assumed that these rings were a mention of Kvothe's future naming prowess. We know from Elodin, while Fela is receiving her ring of stone, that the old masters would wear rings to signify their mastery over a thing through naming. He also lets slip that the ring is to go on the left hand, the right meaning something else entirely.

From this along with the poem we can make some educated guesses on the namer Kvothe is to become. Blood, Wind, Ice (water), flame for starters will all be under his control. It would seem that blood would signify the ability to see a living creatures name which would not be surprising as is evident with his encounter with Fleurian and we see evidence that Elodin has this ability as well.

The ring without name could mean any number of thing, however my best guess would be that it either indicates a master namer (can see all thing's names) or the ability to somehow change/bend a name to his will. There is actually a few pieces of evidence of the latter. We know from Fleurian's story of how the moon's name was stolen that there were shapers who changed a thing through mastery of it's name. We see later the mention of indescribable relics which hold uncharacteristic properties. One being Kvothe's sword, another being the warding stones shown by Master Kilven. It does not seem to far fetched to think that these items are throwbacks from the shapers. Beings so powerful in naming that they could not only bend a stone to their will but change the very properties the stone possesses.

Now we have no idea what Elodin meant by his comment that the right hand rings were for something else but the fact that he mentions it would seem that it would have an important meaning for the arcanist. Iron, amber, wood, and bone. We know kvothe possesses the bone ring from Stote and the wood ring from Lady Lackless but how much can read into this beyond the customs of the Maer's court? I feel that the right hand rings might hold some greater meaning which we simply do not have the tools to uncover yet.

Btw, I love the theory of how Kvothe's mother was actually the run-away Lackless sister, it fits like a glove.

 

[mcmillap]

Auri, too

"On his first hand he wore rings of stone,
Iron, amber, wood and bone.
There were rings unseen on his second hand.
One was blood in a flowing band.
One of air all whisper thin,
And the ring of ice had a flaw within.
Full faintly shone the ring of flame,
and the final ring was without name."

I always assumed that these rings were a mention of Kvothe's future naming prowess. We know from Elodin, while Fela is receiving her ring of stone, that the old masters would wear rings to signify their mastery over a thing through naming. He also lets slip that the ring is to go on the left hand, the right meaning something else entirely.

From this along with the poem we can make some educated guesses on the namer Kvothe is to become. Blood, Wind, Ice (water), flame for starters will all be under his control. It would seem that blood would signify the ability to see a living creatures name which would not be surprising as is evident with his encounter with Fleurian and we see evidence that Elodin has this ability as well.

The ring without name could mean any number of thing, however my best guess would be that it either indicates a master namer (can see all thing's names) or the ability to somehow change/bend a name to his will. There is actually a few pieces of evidence of the latter. We know from Fleurian's story of how the moon's name was stolen that there were shapers who changed a thing through mastery of it's name. We see later the mention of indescribable relics which hold uncharacteristic properties. One being Kvothe's sword, another being the warding stones shown by Master Kilven. It does not seem to far fetched to think that these items are throwbacks from the shapers. Beings so powerful in naming that they could not only bend a stone to their will but change the very properties the stone possesses.

Now we have no idea what Elodin meant by his comment that the right hand rings were for something else but the fact that he mentions it would seem that it would have an important meaning for the arcanist. Iron, amber, wood, and bone. We know kvothe possesses the bone ring from Stote and the wood ring from Lady Lackless but how much can read into this beyond the customs of the Maer's court? I feel that the right hand rings might hold some greater meaning which we simply do not have the tools to uncover yet.

Btw, I love the theory of how Kvothe's mother was actually the run-away Lackless sister, it fits like a glove.

Don't forget that the first night that Elodin saw Kvothe and Auri converse on the top of Mains, there was a pretty subtle indication that Kvothe had the potential as a powerful namer. Elodin gave Kvothe permission to study naming under him that night, and many confuse the reasoning why Elodin did so. Some might assume it was due to his treatment and defense of Auri, but really, it is because Kvothe was able to see her true name. This is something that Elodin would have also known, and is why he asked Kvothe how he had come up with that name...

 

[awesomesmurf]

some thoughts

I would like to pose some theories that i see others touching on but i have not seen anyone pull them together the way i am.

the first thing is the doors of stone. most here take for granted that this refers to the four plate door in the stacks. however there is at least one mention in the books of the way stones being "the doors of stone" and allusions as to them connecting the fae and non fae worlds.

I take this to mean that the doors of stone jax/iax is locked behind is the connection between worlds and he is locked in the mortal realm.

this makes the jax is iax is haliax connections mention in other posts not only possible but very likely.

i also believe that jax/iax/haliax/lanre is encanis. there are several things to support this connection

1 both have a face hidden in shadows
2 both run around destroying all but one great city
3 i may be crazy but i think there is something in the encanis story about the first seven people to become demons

this explains why scarpis interupted story that included the forming of the amyr also involved tehlu and his angels.

i think this also clears up why an organization dedicated to finding the chandrian would become the strong right arm of the tehlin church. the organizations started together with similar aims.

i have some half formed thoughts about why there would be a split. i think that the attitudes and behavior of the tehlins in the story don't line up with the original goals and are a good clue.

would love to hear your thoughts.

 

[TreffnonX]

I wanted to put some more emphasis on the probability of kvoth's mother being Netalia Lockless.
As mentioned before by sevenwarlocks the last line of Arliden's song to his wife goes like:
“Not-tally-a-lot-less.” which to me means not just the name Lockless, but the entire name:
Ne - tali - a Lockless. It practically sounds the same.
So I guess unless Rothfuß is intentionally misdirecting us here, it is quite sure Kvothe is a descendant of
the Lockless,which by extension means he - like the "Luckless" - is out of luck.

Another thing that has me buffled is the fact that most of you seem to think that Auri could be Kvoth's
love in the "future" and I have seen some guesses as to Denna being the Moon.
I however find it much more likely that Auri is the personalified moon summoned by Jax.
I can back this with some facts about her that I find rather significant. First, Auri fears the open (empty?)
sky - like the young sky of the early fae? She perfectly matches the description of the moon from
the Jax story (as told by Hespe). Furthermore Kvothe exclusively meets her at night and when asking
for her name she disappears for several days (maybe because she learned from her mistake?).
Last but not least, Auri is drawn to Kvothe's music - quite like she was drawn to Jax when he played flute.
As to the significance of the fact that she does not want to wear worn clothes, i am somewhat at a loss.
It is mentioned that she finds them "filthy" but it is not explained as to why that is. Kvothe refers to Auri
as "little moon fae" at one point.
I am also convinced that the Lockless' chest contains the part of her name stolen by Iax/Jax, though
I can only base this on the resemblance of the box with the that in the Jax story and the fact that the box
seems to be about the same age.

As to the theory that Kvothe "hides" his powers and only plays the weak role, i have to say this seems somewhat
unlikely. I find it much more probable, that he knowingly gave his powers up - for example by storing part of
his name in his thrice locked chest - in order to better hide. Now someone has posted here before that he/she finds this
rather unlikely and would hate that, but I cannot really see why this should be a problem, in fact it makes a lot
of sense. Since the term namer actually means to give a name to something rather than to speak a name, there
truly is the very likely chance that true powerful namers actually give names to things, therefore changing
their properties and behaviour and if this can be done to objects it most certainly can be done to living things as well.
I speak of "hidden" names of cource, not of the calling name which he probably just changes to avoid any inquiry by the
local populace. This said, if Kvothe hid part of his name, this would explain his lack of power.

I also have to say a little something about the Cthae. First of all:
If Bast is entirely right and the Cthae can really see all futures and all possibilities in perfect layout up to infinity, then the
situation was lost long before Kvothe was born, since every consecutive decision by any person ever affected by any other
person the Cthae has interacted with is doomed to play into the cthae's plans. This as far as I can tell means every single
person in existence, since the Cthae initiated the chain of events starting the creation wars, thus affecting every sentient
being in the world. However all seems not lost... for one would think the Cthae - if in fact after spreading the most possible
pain and suffering - would be able to do much more of this if allowed to interact with as many people as possible (for immediate
suffering). Since however it is guarded by the Sithe it seems something went wrong for the Cthae in the past, how else could this
situation have come to be.... Thus it stands to reason, that some unknown factor tosses the Cthae's sight of the future to such
an extent, that it cannot see everything afterall. As to what that something might be I am at a loss. For a time I thought it
might be Haliaxes Curse, shielding him from sight - but I doubt this is how the curse works.

According to PR the third book concludes the Waystone-Storyarc, though I doubt that it will be the last book placed in this
carefully drawn universe. Whether or not Kvothe will be the main character beyond these first books remains to be seen...

Finally... a missed reference to the importance of the number seven:
- There is a trouper in Kvoth's old troupe who can only roll sevens.

 

[OkayKay]

The oath Kvothe swears to Denna "I swear i wont attempt to uncover your patron, I swear it on my name and my power. I swear it by my good left hand. I swear it by the ever-moving moon."

In the present he goes by 'Kote'
He hasn't shone any power as a namer, failed the sole attempt at sympathy we've seen, and his martial prowess has failed him.
He doesnt play music anymore. ("The left hand is clever" and I belive Kvothe mentions it in conection with his music at the time)

I belive that also connected is "...the story told of how Kvothe had gone looking for his hearts desire. He had to trick a demon to get it. But once it rested in his hand, he was forced to fight an angel to keep it." followed by an "I can belive it. This is the face of a man who has killed an angel"
I think that
'His hearts desire' is denna
Demon=one or more of The Seven
and the Angel is one of those raised at the end of the creation war in Skarpi story.
But if thats true the just what is Denna? Or maybe its Kvothe thats so special? Or Maybe niether maybe its something else?

I submit that Cinder is in fact dead. Kvothe has already killed him and that he why he does not fear to speak his name. 1st: When Chronicler first shows up and attempts to persuade Kvothe to tell his story he claims that "Some are even saying there is a new Chandrian". Why would there be a new one if the old one is still there? The story has been very consistent that there are only seven and that the fact there are seven is why they are named the Chandrian.

2nd: When Kvothe speaks of the Adem he talks about receiving the sword Cesura from them and promising to take care of it. But Chronicler notices that the sword hanging above the bar "Folley" doesn't in fact match the description that Kvothe gives for Cesura, so sure it couldn't be the same sword with a different name. Kvothe also confirms this by telling Chronicler that he is clever and that he cant fool him. There is however a sword that matches the description of the sword that Kvothe has in the Bar, Cinder's sword in NOTW. It would make sense that Kvothe would have taken the sword after defeating the Chandrian who killed his family. Also the sword seems to take in light and turn it dull, as seen in the first chapter where Kvothe begins to tell his story, 6 I believe.

3rdly: Kvothe would have excessive reason to seek out vengeance against Cinder in particular. (The following is the result of another theory and is based entirely on my own thinking). Kvothe would want to seek out Cinder for another reason, Cinder is beating Denna. This theory relies on the fact that Cinder is Master Ash. Note the similarity between the names, also the fact that Denna had written a song along with her patron about Lanrey and that it painted Haliax in a favorable light, something a Chandrian might seek to do in order to further skew the nature and identity of the Chandrian. Kvothe also has a run in with Cinder in a bandit Camp during TWMF but doesn't recognize him. In that battle Cinder takes an arrow to the knee and late we are told by the Cthaeh that Master Ash beat Denna with a walking stick. hmmmmm.... Also We notice that both Master Ash and Denna were in that general location before Kvothe left on his errand for the Mayor and when he returned they had both disappeared again. Master Ash and Denna were also both at the wedding party before it was destroyed by the Chandrian.

Master Ash being Cinder also describes Ash's tendency to be so secretive and his constant disappearances for months at a time. He is going to meet up with the other Chandrian. The fact that he is treating Denna poorly as well as the fact that Kvothe is already seeking retribution for his family is more than reason enough to believe that he would have killed Cinder and taken his sword.

I have a theory that could be kind of crazy....

First of all I think Cinder as Ash makes the most sense for reasons other people have already explained and I think 00nrh reasons pretty succinctly how Kvothe could have killed Cinder to end up with Folly. It also gives an explanation to why there would be room for a Chandian. I think Pat gave us that little snippet for a reason.

Also breaking his oath to Denna by uncovering her patron gives a reasonable explanation beyond changing his name as to his current state as Kote. By breaking his oath he gave up the right to his true name, essentally destroying the persona of Kvothe.

Here comes the crazy part. What if by killing Cinder (the demon) to win his hearts desire (Denna) meant killing on the the Amyr (the angel) to stop it from killing her? What if Denna replaced Cinder as the seventh member of the Chandrian? That would explain why he would have to kill and angel (a being who he should technically want as an ally against the Chandrian) and the betrayal that Kvothe speaks about when he first argues with Chronicler about giving his story.

 

[Twinner]

It occurs to me that you good folks might be writing book 3 for Rothfuss. Back when the first book was released it was said that the entire series was already written, and yet the years between books says to me that this was not the case at all. Book 2 was so much weaker than book 1 (IMO) that I hope Rothfuss reads and considers some of the ideas you folks have posted here because the ideas you guys have written here are far more entertaining that WMF was. Maybe you guys are helping to make book 3 the success we all hope it will be.

 

[SolidSnake_1]

Caudicus, Maer Alveron, and Ambrose

Okay, here is my theory that I haven't read yet. It revolves around the king that Kvothe kills.

I was reading how people think the king may be Ambrose and Kvothe ends up killing him (I don't think that will happen). But the question remains is how would Ambrose become king? What we know is Ambrose is in line for king(reoccurring theme). Ambrose will kill and worse to get what he wants(reoccurring theme). Ambrose is wealthy(reoccurring theme). Ambrose is clever and is always removed from his crimes(reoccurring theme)
So, this seems to lay a ground work for Ambrose rising to king. My theory is, Ambrose or one of his family arranges for those in line to be killed... Remember how Kvothe, in telling the story, asks why Caudicus would want Maer dead? He asks this and doesn't get an answer (questions are important in the series). It's one of the few questions that is asked without the slightest hint of an answer... I think it is being set up for the third book. I think Ambrose has placed assassins all around to slowly work his way to king. Of course, it would be to obvious if all those in line die suddenly, so slow deaths seem to make sense.

As another part to this theory, I see Kvothe killing one of the kings (perhaps Ambrose's father) through some form of deception undoubtedly set up by Ambrose. This would be the perfect way for Ambrose to remove any suspicion from himself.

Thoughts?

 

[SolidSnake_1]

Auri the little Moon Fae

I like the thought that Auri is the moon that was stolen. The little Moon Fae, as Kvothe calls her in his head. Another thing is Auri's name... Which Kvothe gives her because he thinks it fits. His best guess is that it means "sunny" in Siaru, but we know, thanks to Elodin, that Auri does not mean sunny.

Her tradition of giving 3 gifts also says something about her, possibly her age?

I wanted to put some more emphasis on the probability of kvoth's mother being Netalia Lockless.
Another thing that has me buffled is the fact that most of you seem to think that Auri could be Kvoth's
love in the "future" and I have seen some guesses as to Denna being the Moon.
I however find it much more likely that Auri is the personalified moon summoned by Jax.
I can back this with some facts about her that I find rather significant. First, Auri fears the open (empty?)
sky - like the young sky of the early fae? She perfectly matches the description of the moon from
the Jax story (as told by Hespe). Furthermore Kvothe exclusively meets her at night and when asking
for her name she disappears for several days (maybe because she learned from her mistake?).
Last but not least, Auri is drawn to Kvothe's music - quite like she was drawn to Jax when he played flute.
As to the significance of the fact that she does not want to wear worn clothes, i am somewhat at a loss.
It is mentioned that she finds them "filthy" but it is not explained as to why that is. Kvothe refers to Auri
as "little moon fae" at one point.
I am also convinced that the Lockless' chest contains the part of her name stolen by Iax/Jax, though
I can only base this on the resemblance of the box with the that in the Jax story and the fact that the box
seems to be about the same age.

 

[SolidSnake_1]

While I don't think Bast is Kvothe's son, the age can be explained by Bast living in the Fae realm. If Kvothe grew a beard in the Fae realm in a matter of 3 days time in the normal realm, image what would happen in 10 years.

However, I don't see any reason to think Bast is his son besides his connection with Kvothe. If it is true it would be compeltely unexpected.

Bast's full title is Bastas, Son of Remmen, Prince of Twilight and the Telwyth Mael. He is over 150 years old and a noble of the Faen Courts.

I think the only character who I truly believe is an Amyr at this point is Lorren. He is obviously a person of values, and he was pretty quick to shoo Kvothe away from the library once he started looking into the Amyr.

As for Bast being Kvothe's son, just, no. There isn't any real evidence for it at all, and evidence against it. There is an issue with Bast's age. We'd have to assume Fae age much quicker than normal, which we also have no evidence for.

 

[SolidSnake_1]

I am such a fan of these books and the world they create. There are so many mysteries, big ones and small ones. One of the small ones that caught my attention is the tinkers. Has anyone else ever wondered what the tinkers really are? In Hespe's story Iax says he leaves his old broken house to them and I took his house to be a metaphor for the mortal world, then again I might just be crazy. Also did anyone catch the fact that "Kote" means disaster in Siaru? Master kilvin curses at one point in the book and its something like "expect disaster every seven years" and the word that stands out is kote.

Great catch with Kote... I like that.

And I had the same thought about the old broken house... Did Jax/Iax split the worlds (fae/human) and leave the human world to the tinker? I'm wondering how this fits with the Fae version of the story.

 

[SolidSnake_1]

Some small points, Chronicler would probably have written the book before he went to the University or he may have left for a while then came back to the University. Chronicler is older than Kvothe in terms of human years but not experience.

As to Kvothe saying they are both so young... Kvothe's age is always a mystery to others. He goes from looking old to looking much younger all the time. I also suspect that Kvothe has spent some more time in the Fae realm (probably where he meets Bast), where he ages even more. My other interpretation is that while Kvothe is young in human years, he has lived so many lives and has experienced so much that he feels much older than others as we see in descriptions of Kote's (old Kvothe's) eyes.


In regards to Denna being the angle - I would say it is very possible. This would explain his wanting to die. definitely something to watch out for

Hi all KKC fans,

I'm wondering if anybody has the same problem with the ages of Chronicler and Kvothe when they are at the Waystone Inn:

1. In his first days at the University Kvothe reads the Book Chronicler has written about the common draccus.
2. When Kvothe tells the short form of his trail against the iron law, Chronicler says that this was the first story he heard about Kvothe when he went to the University.

In the end of WMF Kvothe says to Bast and Chronicler that they are both so young.

Either I get something mixed up or Chronicler can not be much younger than Kvothe since 15-years-old Kvothe reads a book written by Chronicler ...

Any hints on this?

PS: Anybody else here has the feeling that Denna could be the angle that Kvothe had killed?

 

[SolidSnake_1]

Skarpi - is he an Amyr?

I got this idea from reading this thread and thinking back to the book. Here are my thoughts, in no particular order.

1) People are quite certain Skarpi will re-appear in some way.

2) Skarpi knows stories that others don't. Kvothe, while young at their meeting, knows more stories than most because of his background. Yet some how, this old man at a dock side tavern knows secrets that Kvothe doesn't. More over, he knows things that Kvothe can't find in all the books he reads.

3) The Amyr appear to have gone into hiding before they were disbanded by the Church. In fact, only 1 person was ever tried. It is suggested that the Amyr were hiding in the church and through out the world (I can't remember what author had a secret message in his book -- it's near the part were Kvothe is betting with Wil and Sim).

4) Skarpi says he has friends in the church and Kvothe should not worry about him.


While it assumed that the Amyr hid mentions of themselves and the Chandrian did the same, I'm wondering if one or the other destroyed the references. I think the Chandrian could have destroyed mention of the Amyr. It would make sense given that the Amyr are their enemies and they wouldn't want people seeking them out or finding out how the Amyr are able to fight the Chandrian. Thus, if Skarpi is of the Amyr he would want stories to get out or at least get to important people. Skarpi seems to know more about Kvothe than he lets on (he did help Kvothe escape).

 

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Ideas about Jax/Iax

Okay, I'm thinking that this happens: Ambrose figures out about when Kvothe killed all the bandits, and tells the masters. They tell Kvothe that he has until the end of the term to leave. He freaks out, and goes to Imre. When he's there, Ambrose comes up to him and starts gloating. They get in a big fight, and Kvothe just snaps. He uses the name of the wind to choke out Ambrose, and then Ambrose attacks him. Kvothe beats him with his Adem training, and then sympathetically binds his bones to the cobblestones. Ambrose can't move, and watches as the fiery face of Death Itself approaches. Kvothe takes out his sword and strikes him with so much power that the stone shatter,and Ambrose is killed. The stones are shattered, like the sandy haired travelers from NoTW said. Then, that night, he gets Fela drunk, sneaks into the archives, and forces her to use the name if stone to shatter the door. Jax, the superpowerful namer, kills Fela, and escapes. That's all I have for now, except that maybe the sandy haired traveler was Simmon, because he has about the right description, recognizes Kvothe, and talks about how he cried when Kvothe played in Imre. Please give me some feedback.