Kingkiller Chronicles Speculation (Spoilers for both books)

[Twinner]

It has been a while. Almost 3 months.

 

[Galbatorix]

Felurian secret message

Hey, here's another little theory, and its about Felurian. I know there are quite a few theories about her, but this one is my own. Almost every line she says starts with a lowercase letter. ALMOST every sentence... Maybe there is a message in the properly started sentences?

 

[Galbatorix]

Hey, here's another little theory, and its about Felurian. I know there are quite a few theories about her, but this one is my own. Almost every line she says starts with a lowercase letter. ALMOST every sentence... Maybe there is a message in the properly started sentences?

UPDATE there aren't any... Must have been because of her voice description.. Sorry

 

[Galbatorix]

Legit theory

Okay, so remember the part where he says "I have been called many things. Flame, thunder, and broken tree."? Then he goes on to explain flame and thunder, but says that in hindsight 'broken tree' was partially prophetic? I think it has something to do with the Cthaeh and its tree. Maybe he returns to visit it again in book 3?

 

[Tachyon14k]

Has anyone thought it odd that Auri visits kvothe during his recovery from the plum truth/moral stuff. He was at Ankers and she went to him to console him while he remembered his past

 

[Galbatorix]

Alaxel bears the shadows hame.

Well, I looked up the definition of hame, and I just about had a heart attack. Miriam-Webster defines hame as: "Either of two curves pieces of iron lying upon the collar in the harness of an animal, to which the tracers are fastened". In other words, Alaxel, or Haliax, is controlled by "The Shadow"! Maybe the shadow is the Cthaeh? Because he asked Cinder "who keeps you safe from the Sithe", and the Sithe kill people who have talked to the Cthaeh. Hmm. Any other ideas on who "The Shadow" is?

 

[chipster7117]

Auri and Lackless

So a few of my own theories, I think Kvothe's real name might be Kote. I think he gave the whole town his real name and they have control over him and he assumes the innkeepers form. You will notice he is Kote through the first book and a half and then Rothfuss switches to Kvothe about the time the army men that took the king's coin come in and beat him up.

I think Auri is the girl that is ultimately killed and ruins something for Kvothe. I think she came across something dealing with the Chandrian and is hiding. Remember she knew about the bottles of blood bobbing in the underground. She lives inside the University\underground completely shut off and she has magic abilities from the under culture.

At the Maer's dinner the first night Kvothe is to meet the Lackless woman to get clues of what he should sing about for the courting. In the conversation, the conversation visibly makes her angry. There are allusions to Edema Ruh, then bandits to the North (Ie: how his parents died.) I Think she is a Chandrian, she witnessed her sister get killed by Haliax and Cinder.

 

[chipster7117]

More thoughts

Oh and in reading posts by others about Bast and Denna. I think it's important to note that Bast knew Denna. At what point did he meet them? Is he already a character in the story? If not, then how long has it been since she left?

What about the strange song that involved one of the Amre in a resurrection theme?

I think Imre's underworld could be the junky house he tricked the tinker into. Remember the ward stones Kilvin had? I think that was something from the Makers (or Knowers) that were referenced in the Amre myth. Tinkers always have three things as the old man in the mountain said. Was he Amiri? Where is his disjointed house setup?

Lockless as a bad lady getting married to the Maer. He is equal to the most powerful king whose name I can't remember. What if she kills the king and it is a title laid on Kvothe?

Denna knows how to read Yllish story knots something she learned from her teacher. Kvothe recognized them only because he felt them on the Lockless box and learned how to from Master Herma. Who would have knowledge of Yll to teach magical spells in it?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Theory on the King's identity

Hey all, first time poster, longtime lurker, blah blah blah...

Was curious to get some feedback on a theory I have that I haven't really seen around. It has to do with the identity of the king who Kvothe kills by the fountain in Imre. Most of the guesses I've seen posit that the King is one one the University students, from Ambrose to Sim.

I was thinking about when Kvothe speaks of how he could tell the true story of the Princess Ariel and wondering if we have met her. I feel like Auri could be that princess. She's pleased when Kvothe gives her the name Auri, perhaps because it feels familiar (Auri, Ari, Ariel) and, despite her situation, carries herself with an undeniable grace. Her background as a cracked student is left very vague. But here is what tipped me to the Auri=Ariel conclusion: She refuses to wear secondhand clothes. Kvothe tells Mola he tried to give her a secondhand dress, but Auri refused, stating that wearing other people's old clothes was filthy. That sounds like Princess upbringing to me. It also puts me in mind of Kvothe's impression of the Maer's wardrobe. He is impressed that the Maer represents a whole different level of wealth, as he only ever wears new clothes.

It's easy to see how Kvothe could kill someone whom he discovered trying to forcibly remove Auri from the Underthing, or seemingly threatening her in any way. So I'm throwing out a new candidate for the killed king--Auri's father. A case built on circumstantial evidence at best, but I'll go to any lengths to avoid considering the horrifying Kvothe-accidentally-kills-Sim scenario.

 

[Andor]

I got a feeling the king killer title will be something massively blown out of proportions by story tellers, i really love how this story turns average acts into legend by hearsay.. really cant wait for bk 3

 

[Krotarus]

The War

Hello every1

I have tried reading most of all posts, but havent read all, and this may have been talked about before or not, not sure, so forgive me if I repeat something said in the past.

Ima just say whats in my mind, i just finished reading the first book for the third time, but it´s been a year since I read the second one so any one is welcome to comment if i am right or wrong on what I seem to remember of both books.

Auri gives Kvothe a key, and she says it opens the Moon.
I believe the door in the archive has inside locked away the stolen moon, thats the intuition I have always had since I heard the story of the little kid and the moon and the door in the archive.
The fact that Auri may be Ariel the princess may explain how she could be in posession of one of the door keys, and perhaps other special objects.
I remember reading the story of how the world was created, it was all 1 world all toguether, with the moon always shining in the sky, and how when the little boy stole the moon, it forced it to split the world into 2 worlds in exception of once a month when the moon could come out (the time we see it as a full moon) and hence the easiest moment to cross over the fae world.
Last and most important, I believe Kvothe will open the door in the archive, and this will cause the moon to be released, causing both worlds to merge once again, causing a WAR to start between the normal and paranormal species, hence we see things like scrals or demons and fae roaming the world freely among humans.

I think that to be able to open the door, he will defenetly need the key as a mechanism, and the candle and coin to do some kind of sympathy with the door

Interesting things I have read around other posts, the part about "broken tree" and how that comes to be "partially prophetic". This is defenetly refering to the part of "I have talked to Gods" and i just see very plausible Kvothe crossing worlds whenever he feels like by the moonlight, as in "crossing to the fae world" and going to slain or break the caeth tree for having caused him so much pain and suffer telling him harsh truths.

and a comment i´d like to make, im very curious and interested about that person who lives/hides in a room inside the archive whom they visit once. Anyone has any thoughts or opinions on this character?

Go on, let me know if my suspicions are plausible or not!

 

[Galbatorix]

Book 2.5

Book 2.5 is out! The Slow Regard of Silent Things had finally been released! Let the new theories roll in!

 

[marshal atkins]

Book 2.5 is out! The Slow Regard of Silent Things had finally been released! Let the new theories roll in!

I'll be skipping this one. It simply does not seem worth the price to me. I'll maybe look for a library version in a few years when Book 3 is closer to being released.

 

[Marcher]

Just came across this forum after rereading the books a second time.

9 pages of backreading later, please excuse this wall of text

...Miriam-Webster defines hame as: "Either of two curves pieces of iron lying upon the collar in the harness of an animal, to which the tracers are fastened". In other words, Alaxel, or Haliax, is controlled by "The Shadow"! .....Any other ideas on who "The Shadow" is?

The first definition, albeit obsolete, is for a covering, or skin. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hame So ‘bears the shadow’s hame’ would mean covered in shadow.
Even if it was definition 2, the harness, it sounds like it describes a shackle, so I’d guess it meant ‘locked in shadow’ more-so than ‘controlled by shadow’, given that we know Selitos cursed him in that manner.

...the first thing is the doors of stone. most here take for granted that this refers to the four plate door in the stacks. however there is at least one mention in the books of the way stones being "the doors of stone" and allusions as to them connecting the fae and non fae worlds.
I take this to mean that the doors of stone jax/iax is locked behind is the connection between worlds and he is locked in the mortal realm....

The idea that the mortal world is where Haliax has been locked is very interesting, I never though of that.

I like the thought that Auri is the moon that was stolen. The little Moon Fae, as Kvothe calls her in his head. ......Her tradition of giving 3 gifts also says something about her, possibly her age?

I however find it much more likely that Auri is the personalified moon summoned by Jax.
I can back this with some facts about her that I find rather significant. First, Auri fears the open (empty?)
sky - like the young sky of the early fae? She perfectly matches the description of the moon from
the Jax story (as told by Hespe). Furthermore Kvothe exclusively meets her at night and when asking
for her name she disappears for several days (maybe because she learned from her mistake?).
Last but not least, Auri is drawn to Kvothe's music - quite like she was drawn to Jax when he played flute.
Kvothe refers to Auri as "little moon fae" at one point.

I'm on this side of the fence as well. I'd been thinking of the same things you've mentioned, though I hadn't connected Kvothe and Jax's music. I did note the repeated "Moon Fae" mention, and also Kvothe repeatedly mentions the way her hair floats in the air around her head. I thought the description was similar to the way Kvothe's shaed is said to move, perhaps significantly so.
If she isn't a cracked student and is part of the moon, what connection does she have to the 4-plate door in the Archives I wonder? Are the "Doors of Stone" the Greystones? Or is it the 4-plate door?
Her comparison of Kvoth being like the Ciridae may also be a mark in favor of her agelessness (who knows what they looked like in this age?).

So the implication is he's an old man who appears to be a young man. And there's that part in TWMF where he says to Bast and Chronicler, "You're both so young." Isn't bast supposed to be a hundred years old or something?

I just interpreted that to mean life experience. Kvothe is young, yes, but he's experienced more than almost anyone alive. As evidenced by the telling of his story taking significantly longer than that of Oren Velciter, ostensibly the world's greatest adventurer, and someone who has been in the world longer. Though the difference in story telling duration could be attributed to Kvothe's showmanship / story-telling pedigree. But who knows! 1 person...but he's pretty tight-lipped

i support this summary exept that iax/jax is behind the door and is the last shaper and the last one that know the moons name but it can also be just the body of iax (haliax killed him and stole his iax powers), for the box i think it only contains the part of the moon that also is a part that can halp kvote kill haliax(think about the pot with haliax and the three moons)

Interesting. How Lanre/Haliax came to be so powerful in naming is something I’m really curious about. If Haliax is something Selitos dubbed him maybe the similarity to Iax/Jax relates to taking his powers?

Seven things has lady lackless, keeps them underneath her black dress.Seven chandrian.Seven days of High Mourning.Menda-Tehlu- Son of himself- Became a full grown man on the seventh span."in the end seven stayed on the other side""At the end of seven years, tehlu's feet had"-- " " " ""For six days Encanis fled, and six great cities he destroyed. But on the seventh day, Tehlu drew near beforeEncanis could bring his power to bear and the seventh city was saved."-- " ""That is why seven is a lucky number""Do you know the seven words to make a woman love you""If I were looking for a good number I'd have to go up to seven... or down to three""Expect disaster every seven years"
Thats just some of the references to the number 7 from TNOTW.

Also, 7 days is exactly ¼ of the lunar cycle. That might be reaching but given the significance of the moon in the story…
The more significant thing is between Denna and Kvothe, have you ever noticed they seem to play a game about speaking in 7s? A LOT of the exchanges between them are 7 word sentences. I can’t give you quotes but the last time I read it through I kept being struck by how often Denna spoke in 7s. I was wondering if that was just chance, but apparently the average English sentence length is 15-20 words. Perhaps it has to do with meter then? Rothfuss is a helluva writer either way.

 

[Marcher]

Marginally more original thoughts:

3. The Adem story and the Edema Ruh
Definitely related and maybe factions of the same group
Edema Ruh love for music and the Adem disgust of it
Wanderers: One found a place one did not

It never occurred to me til reading this...
Ademre…..Edema Ruh…visually the words are quite different, but I’ve never heard them pronounced aloud. Now that I think about it…the pronounciation would be pretty similar though. Ah-deh-mera…..Eh-deh-me-ra. I definitely just converted to the Ademre and Edema Ruh once being the same group of people.

Also, I don't think Master Ash is Cinder. Cinder is 'otherworldly' obviously, and I doubt that he would have a walking stick after being injured by an arrow. The only reason Cinder flees the bandit camp is because of secrecy. I believe Cinder could have wiped out the party had he not tried to be hidden and kept things secretive.

Cinder cocks his head, listens, and looks around at the sky. This is the same thing Haliax and the other Chandrian did before shadow-GTFOing after killing Kvothe’s parents. I think the reason Cinder fled the bandit camp is because the Singers were coming. Skarpi said that Tehlu and a couple of his buddies became powerful beings, with wings of fire that made them swift, fire in their eyes that let them see deeply into things, and fire in their mouths that allowed them to sing songs of power. And lastly, they vanished from mortal sight. Martin was praying to Tehlu during the bandit camp skirmish, naming him/ Menda about 5 or 6 times and Ordal and Andan as well. I think Martin’s prayer was like a 911 call to the Chandrian-busters, Cinder sensed them coming and hightailed it out of there.
I think it’s also note-worthy that Kvothe’s domination of Felurian came in the form of seeing her true nature and singing the four notes (chords?) of song at the heart of her being \. There may be a connection between him and “the Singers”.

 

[courtney]

subscribed... This thread is gonna take some reading...

 

[Pishcakes]

Adem vs Aiel

Hi guys, I've been coming back to this thread for months and I'd just like to thank you all for helping fill that gaping hole that's always there while one waits for a sequel.
After I read the theory of the Adem and the Edema Ruh I was reminded of the Aiel and Jenn Aiel from the WoT series, where a society splits and one becomes violent and the other peaceful wanderers.

 

[Ornery Wyvern]

I had wondered about that myself, and I would be surprised if it is not intentional part of Rothfuss's purpose being to mirror other works I am sure he mentioned Jordan as a strong influence - don't take my word for it though I may well be spouting nonsense.

 

[Pishcakes]

Yeah, I'm rereading TWMF atm and I'm seeing even more similarities between the two. For example, the Lethani and Ji'e'toh, Vashet's comment about tinkers and how they are treated better in Ademre than in most places, and the whole female fighters thing.

 

[JonSnowVII]

Kingkiller theory

What is the name of the red and yellow birds at the maers estate, the calanthis which is the name of the royal line of vintas. Kvotye has already killed multiple calanthis birds signifying that he will kill roderic calanthis. Remember when he spoke to the ctaeth the tree killed a bird of red and gold which are th3 royal colors. Then the ctaeth told kvoth to chase the chandrian to the edge of the map to ademre. When in ademre he gets a sword called ceasura. Recall while at the university simmon was reciting eld vintic poetry. Wilem asked wat the pause was like sim was catching his breath. Sim said its called a ceasura its like a break in an eld vintic line. Thus ceasura , kvothes sword is meant to cause a break in an eld vintic line which is the alveron line and the calanthis line but how we know is the ctaeth killed a bird of red and yellow, the calanthis royal colors. Kvothe will put a break in an eld vintic line with ceasura by killing roderic calanthis.