A Sci Fi Reading Odyssey - 50 Novels

Finished Carson of Venus. It had its charms, and more sophistication and originality in ways I didn't expect. It did have some of the drawbacks I *did* expect too. Overall different and better than I thought it would be. Working up my review. Then... if my books ever get here, off on a brief Horror Jag for Hallo-wee-wee.

Just like every book on the list I've read so far, I can say I'm glad I read it because it fills in a gap in my familiarity with root themes\memes\tropes\borrowings, etc. Each also has something a little different to offer for style and technique. Most of them are readable, and quite a few are super-fun reads.
 
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Carson of Venus by Edgar Rice Burroughs [1939]
Del Rey
197 pages
Reader Response by Matt H. [v 1.13] from Reading Odyssey
Rating: TBD

Story and Setting

Carson Napier, a US space traveler, is stranded on Venus after his original mission goes arwy. He telepathically sends his story back to Earth from Venus, known to its own inhabitants as “Amtoria.” During his stay in the most advanced of Amtorian cities, Carson has supervised the construction of a marvelous flying machine, a “birdship” which will prove critical in his many dangerous trials to come. Foremost in his mind is the problem of his beloved, the princess Duare. Her culture is immovable fixed on a matter of taboo, that has doomed their love to failure and possible death.

Fearsome beasts as well as weird tribes of people inhabit the wild lands of Venus. On their long voyage to Durare’s homeland, they are separated and Carson must infiltrate a very strange group of savages, and navigate a harrowing situation to save her.

Next they come to Sanara, a great city under military siege by the Zanis. The Zanis are a totalitarian state which demands absolute obedience and is fond of torturing its citizens. In Sanara, Carson pledges loyalty to the temporary king and is sent on a fatal mission to the stronghold of the Zanis. There is deception and betrayal, and Carson survives narrowly though his sharp wits and the help of the princess Zerka. But again he must return and save more of his friends from certain death and torture. He also must see that justice is done and that evil sovereigns are deposed. Even after all this, in the end Carson has to undertake a final voyage and face a final test – winning happiness for himself and his beloved Duare.

Critical Reader Appraisal

Lightweight in its world building, cartoony in science, Carson of Venus is largely a collage of overdone fairy tales, but I can’t say it was entirely so. The characters certainly lack depth and much uniqueness – every single one (the good guys) is a handsome or beautiful king, queen, prince or princesses. (Not all royalty are good guys, but all good guys are royalty.) And the action stretches even a fiction-qualified credulity. But instead of many traditional and probably necessary virtues, it gives you a moderately involved plot – palace intrigue, as well as double double-crosses, and a lot of fairly neat cleverness from the protagonist. It also throws you a couple of curve balls, and gives opportunity for mythic parallels. Best of all is an unobtrusive surprise -- an unusually deep psychological portrayal of totalitarianism.

It’s a first person narrative and Carson as a character, is a light creation. His only distinctive features are unflappability, self-confidence, and a little, clean “modern” smart Alec humor. He addresses the reader informally and fairly often with “you can believe that I…” or something similar. One could interpret it as crude writing, or as an essential feature. Definitely crude and elementary is any portrayal of extreme emotion, it being often limited to “I was the saddest\happiest\most relieved I’ve ever been in my life”, or similar phrases. On the bright side, I’d say both the narrative and writing improved after Carson meets Zerka in the restaurant. Oddly, the book seems suddenly more sophisticated and realistic. It doesn’t last though.

Carson rarely slashes his way out of trouble. There is perhaps surprisingly little violent killing. But Carson racks up quite a score. He rescues two queens, one of them twice, a king and a princess. And gives two evil kings and one evil dictator the business. He does it all virtually solo, and entertainingly, almost entirely by outwitting and out strategizing. It’s cartoony, but also smacks of myth, especially Homer. There are Odyssean sea voyages, trials, monsters, use of wit, the loyal queen at home being coveted and probably a lot more. An additional twist is a tribe in which the gender roles and physicalities are reversed. It’s some fun speculating about its implications for the author’s conception of gender roles in the first place.

Venus as a physical setting is unsatisfying. There is mention of dangerous “beasts”, but (in this particular book of the series), they are mostly unencountered. Nature and landscape were ill-defined and vague, or not described at all and that too dinged the sense of reality. Whatever technology described was puzzling in light of the civilization. It seemed to be roughly reminiscent of India perhaps pre-colonialism. I don’t remember many or any descriptions of engines (except in Havartoo) or electrical power, or firearms. But they have two kinds of ray guns? It seemed odd and had no plot relevance. Also a puzzler was that though in a certain advanced city had engines of almost perpetual motion, they had super-lightweight materials and construction, they were engineering geniuses, but it was up to Carson alone to conceive of an airplane. There was a word for “bird” on the planet too. Minor niggling.

As a plot-innocent reader, I was surprised when the book took a moderately dark turn as Carson gets into the Zani’s country and its prisons. As I mentioned, the portrayal of fascist psychology was chilling and realistic. At first the reference to the Nazis is just hinted but it gets plainer quickly. It serves to remind how thoroughly their methods and ideology had already been dissected before the war. It is complete with a Goebbels-like and perhaps a Goering-like character, as well as the evil-leader himself. There is a militant mandatory salute for every and all occasions, a world of universal cold, deadly suspicion, secret police, copious torture and execution. There are a few scenes of torture, which got close to feeling out-of-place in this light tale. Fortunately it was mostly limited in this case to phrases like “I’ve never seen anything so horrible in my life.” Overall it’s fair to add the treatment of this serious theme to the list of the book’s virtues.

The prose and basic story-telling framework of the book is adequate. It is usually comically old-fashioned and probably seemed so even in 1939. So, though it’s fluffy and predicable, it also will have a few unexpected treats sprinkled in. The book is pretty rich in twists and double-crosses, outsmarting, intrigue, if you can care about them. The bad guys are fairly realistic totalitarians, but the good guys are cardboard fairy tale kings and princesses. This makes the bad guys the more interesting of the two. We can sincerely abhor the Zanis, but is there any depth to our love of the royals?
 
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When I read the ERB Barsoom stories when I was in my early teens even then they read to me like a sort of bedtime stories and looking at them again when the Disney film of them was made as John Carter (which I felt was a much better effort than its reputation deserved) my main take is that that they come off as high grade fan fiction.... and I remain surprised that so many golden age FSF authors rate them so highly.
 
Golden age sf/f writers were closer to them in time, and probably read them in youth, so they retained a hold that later readers don't quite feel.

Randy M.
(he says, guessing)
 
Like Windy I started reading ERB in my early teens. Never got to Carson.
I agree with everything that he said re the movie and the nature of the Barsooms. Never felt like re-reading however.
A couple of years ago I re-read some Lensmen. I was amused that even though in my (somwhat) maturity I recognized their faults I found them enjoyayable and could understand them as a base for what was written later. Perhaps authors had the same reaction (as also described by Randy) that later readers do not feel?
 
Harrison’s "Star smashers of the Galaxy Rangers" wonderful pariody of doc smiths stories had me going back to the source stories with a similar result Pogo.

but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Smashers_of_the_Galaxy_Rangers dating from 1973 will put it just a bit too new for Matt's survey which is a bit sad as I would love to see what he would make of them taken together.... Harrison wrot a lot of wonderful stories touching almost every corner of the genre
 
Harrison wrot a lot of wonderful stories touching almost every corner of the genre
Been a bit of a revelation but a recent reread of Bill, the Galactic Hero for Galactic Journey was very disappointing. Definitely one that I remember loving when I read it back in the 80s, but really didn't this time around. Sometimes re-visiting loved books can be a risk.... :(
 
Harrison’s "Star smashers of the Galaxy Rangers" ...
Windy, Star Smashers is actually within the date range of the survey (1935-85) I had it on the list at one point. I would like to check it out. If I read/review Gray Lensman, then pretty likely I will do Star Smashers too. I like it especially because (as far as I know) I have no other satires in the list so it would be an un-covered corner of the genre that should be covered.

Let me ask you - would Gray Lensman *by itself* give me enough of what is being satirized to properly enjoy Star Smashes? Or do I need to read more, or perhaps all of Skylark? (actually read them as a kid, but almost entirely forgot them!) Let me know what you think.
 
Been a bit of a revelation but a recent reread of Bill, the Galactic Hero for Galactic Journey was very disappointing. Definitely one that I remember loving when I read it back in the 80s, but really didn't this time around. Sometimes re-visiting loved books can be a risk.... :(
I understand that only the first of the bill series was fully Harrison’s work I recall #2 as just ok and #3 I didn’t even finish... well that’s what I recall I have not reread any of them since they were published.
 
Doc's two main series are sort of best taken as a whole for each series I think though reading a whole series would be weighting his work too much even within his period...
Star Smashers is one of those books you give someone with a grin knowing how much fun it was to read for the first time... but you have to have a hold on the source material to really enjoy it.
the first 4 of the Lensman books are key I think
I will defer to Mark as to which would be best....personally I think grey lensman along with its lead in Galactic Patrol taken tog would be about the length of modern novel... I think that Doc Smith (who had a real PhD in Chemical Engineering from 1918 even though you sometimes see the Doc in his name set off in quote) can quite fairly be called the father of Space Opera. I hope you can fit him in. (As well as SSotGR)
I have been after mark for years to look at the way Arthur C Clarke rewrote his first novel...not just once but twice and the last time I looked all three versions could be found quite easily the early novella version is online as a pdf the other 2 still in print as of 20 years ago. I think it’s important in that the revised 3rd version was a part of how he wanted to be seen as a writer going forward
from Clarke's Wikipedia page:
Clarke began carving out his reputation as a “scientific” science-fiction writer with his first science-fiction novel, Against the Fall of Night, published as a novella in 1948. It was very popular and considered ground-breaking work for some of the concepts it contained. Clarke revised and expanded the novella into a full novel, which was published in 1953. Clarke later rewrote and expanded this work a third time to become The City and the Stars in 1956, which rapidly became a definitive must-read in the field
nope, over to you mark
 
If I remember right, Galactic Patrol might be the point to start, though they have all dated (to put it mildly.) The first two are scene setters, Galactic Patrol is where things get going.

I have been after mark for years to look at the way Arthur C Clarke rewrote his first novel...not just once but twice and the last time I looked all three versions could be found quite easily the early novella version is online as a pdf the other 2 still in print as of 20 years ago. I think it’s important in that the revised 3rd version was a part of how he wanted to be seen as a writer going forward
Sure I did this, but can't find what I wrote... one day, Windy! :)
 
Yes, I would go for Galactic Patrol and Grey Lensman treating them as part one and part 2 of one book for the purpose of the exercise.

Promises, promises, Mark;)
 
Yes, I would go for Galactic Patrol and Grey Lensman treating them as part one and part 2 of one book for the purpose of the exercise.

Promises, promises, Mark;)
Hmmm, that's two books, and a series, though. I have a copy of Grey Lensman here, and it appears to be quite as long or longer by itself, than many of the books on the list. The edition is a total odd ball. No title page, no publisher indicated *anywhere*, and no page numbers!! It's not a bad book physically, printed fine and with cover art (larger trade size). What the hec do I have? Any ideas Mark?

(added) Pub date confusing. Quite a huge diff btw 1951 and 1939! 39 is apparently when it was finished written. A reason I wanted it was because it was 30's writing.
 
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makes sense Matt... you have to keep it straight or you would never finish! I expect Mark knows the details of the series writing and publishing history.
 
I would just go with Galactic Patrol, the first written of the series.
I had a memory that the first couple or so had been serialized in Astounding. Which is what Wikipedia & the SF Encyclopedia each say - giving dates for the main sequence in the late 30s. (Triplanetary was pub in 1930, but later revised) I think Windy's dates are for book publication.
 
I think Windy's dates are for book publication
Yes, I don't know how much updating re-editing was done for the book version Perhaps CatG or mark will know? I bet Matt' copy is the original pulp version the has been published without author input... sort of the way a lot of stuff gets into these mega pack kindle as no one seems to know where the rights to a lot of material originally printed in the pulps resides today
 
I expect Mark knows the details of the series writing and publishing history.
Another one which was published first in the 1930's magazines but then rewritten to make the books fit into a series. Having said that, Matt, (though it has been a long time since I looked, admittedly), the changes were relatively minor. The main plot and style are unabashed 30's space opera pulp, with all of its enthusiasm and weaknesses.
 
I have been wondering if perhaps one way for someone who has a problem with old fiction and difficulty in looking at it in relation to history would be to read Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers first as a sort of inoculation. Then they can treat the old space opera stories as over the top humor in a way they would not have been seen by the gang reading in the pulps each month back then. Those folks would have been young mostly born after 1900 and coming up with the pennies for each issue or using them for food... the 30s were tough in a way that many have a hard time conceptualizing today... the need for relief from the day to day was huge.
 
Another one which was published first in the 1930's magazines but then rewritten to make the books fit into a series. Having said that, Matt, (though it has been a long time since I looked, admittedly), the changes were relatively minor. The main plot and style are unabashed 30's space opera pulp, with all of its enthusiasm and weaknesses.
Enthusiasm is a quality I would like to see return to science fiction in large doses.
 
After spending the last two months packing and moving I finally got a chance to read The Pillars of Eternity that @Matt H reviewed so well.

It's a difficult book to categorise. It's science fiction but it owes far more to Michael Moorcock and Robert E. Howard than it does to Asimov, Clarke or Bester. Bailey could have set this story in any fantasy world and it wouldn't be out of place.

The main character, Joachim Boaz, has more in common with Elric than Gully Foyle. He requires an outside force to keep him alive that is little different than spells and potions. While there is a certain relentlessness to Boaz he never quite achieves Foyle level obsession.

The book covers a lot of different philosophical ideas but none of them too deeply. While the treatise involves were somewhat interesting I think I could have done with a little more action than discussion at times.

I would say The Pillars of Eternity is a good book and well written with a classic feel, but not one I'd gush about. I think a reader of primarily fantasy would enjoy this book very much. Hard core sci-fi nerds like myself might find it a little lacking in the end.
 

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