Author loved by all?

joacqin

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Is there a single author without controversy? I have only lurked on these boards after following a link from Abercrombie's homepage and it doesn't seem to be any author everyone loves. We have the big ones the ones that most serious fantasy lovers adore at least most of; Martin, Bakker, Erikson, Hobb, Jordan heck I throw in Goodkind as well and well there are more but these seems to be the top of the crop among todays readers. Is there any series/author that do not have it's fair share of haters?

I for one absolutely adore Erikson whom I consider king of the hill of the contemporary fantasy scene but I have after only a brief browsing of these forums noticed that there are plenty of people who have read him and not liked him. I have in the past encountered people who felt too daunted by his writing to read more than a brief sample of his work but no one who actually read through several of his books and still didn't love it or even worse just found it so-so. What is often pointed out as his weakness, the characterization, is what I consider his almost strongest point. He can make feel for a character with only a few sentences something no other writer has managed to do.

When it comes to Martin I was completely blown away when I read him, when I first read him the pinnacle of literature for me was WoT and this was something completely different. I love it as much as Erikson but due to extreme delays and the fact that I found the latest installment to be quite a lot weaker than the first books Erikson dethroned him for me but Martin is still a writer I love unconditionally. This guy seems to have very few detractors but I have encountered intelligent people whom I otherwise share similar tastes with who can't stand him which of course completely baffles me.

The only lady who seems to have made a proper impact on us fantasy nerds is another author I absolutely adore but in a way she is too good. Reading her work is generally so painful that you do it once and then can't bear to do it again. I have yet to reread the Liveship traders despite wanting to and despite loving the first read simply because reading Hobb's work is so emotionally taxing. She is one of the writers where I have not encountered much "hate". Are there people out there who absolutely hate Hobb and finds her to be an overrated hack?

Now we come to Bakker, many many people seem to view his work as the "da shiznit". With depth and philosophical ponderings above anything else written in the fantasy genre. Well, I just can't see it. When I read Bakker I found it to be a reasonable entertaining fantasy series, a lot better than much of the tripe that is published nowadays but nothing really special. That "depth" and "grittiness" many laud so much I found contrived and forced. For me Bakker is an author who tries to be deep, gritty and philosophical he isn't an author who just *is* those things. For me Bakker is a writer who really really really with all his heart wants to be like the big boys but falls short simply because he tries too hard.

Sadly Jordan is dead but I am sad mostly for sentimental reasons. I was a total fanboy during my late teens and kept buying his books simply because I thought I owed my younger self to find out what would happen. Publishing several 600+ pages volumes of nothing changes Jordan from someone who might have been among the greatest to only a good fantasy writer.

As for Goodkind, I actually finished the entire series (thank god for libraries) mostly because I wanted to see just how bad it could get and I guess many here know that it could get fairly bad. For some reason he is incredibly succesful though so I thought I would mention him even though there is no chance he could be appointed as "Fantasy author everyone loves".

Then we have the new gang of whom I have only read Abercrombie and Lynch and then not all of their work. I have really enjoyed what I have seen though, could it be that among these there is a writer we can all agree to be really good?

To repeat the initial question: Is there a fantasy author we all can agree is really really good?

Sorry for the length of my first post but at times I have a lot of spare time and I have not had the oppurtunity in a few years to truly discuss fantasy which is a serious passion of mine.
 
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Welcome joacqin: a nice lengthy post for your first!

I think it highly unlikely that any author will be loved by all. The nature of the genre is that the range of books is so broad that not every book will satisfy every reader.

But would it be reasonable to find that any book, of any genre, will satisfy everyone? The chances are pretty unlikely. For we are all different and thus our tastes are all different.

To some extent SFFWorld exists because of that difference. The nature of a discussion forum is that it will draw out opinions of all shades in a discussion, allowing us to share through discussion common likes or dislikes!

It's a thoughtful question though, which we like. Hope your other posts at SFFWorld are as thoughtful in the future!

Mark / Hobbit
 
Best of luck with finding an author everybody loves. Even Hobb comes in for criticism, you'll find. Even Guy Gavriel Kay.

But discovery is no fun without risk of reading the odd bad book somewhere along the way.
 
I think the only question which might receive a true answer is, "Author loved by most". While I have found that most like GRRM and Feist, two authors I feel are great fantasy writers, there are some on this forum who just don't like them. And I assume you are implying the 'works' of the authors, and not the authors themselves.

If we talk about the authors themselves, we would have to talk about ones who never showed their political side, or revealed their likes and dsilikes, and are basically liked/loved 'by all'. Maybe Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, Andre Norton, Tolkein? But their works get mixed reviews from different readers.
 
Wait, are you trying to say there are people who hate George R R Martin?!? BLASPHEMY!!
 
I think it isn't really that they 'hate' GRRM. How could anyone do that? It is more like they 'mini-hate' or 'non-like' his works. They must be smoking something to not like his work, IMHO.

"Charles Shultz or Bill Waterson" - still only loved by most, sorry!
 
Is there a single author without controversy?

Fritz Leiber would be my best guess. He is one of the great - and sofar i at least have not encountered any criticism on these boards.
 
Fritz Leiber would be my best guess. He is one of the great - and sofar i at least have not encountered any criticism on these boards.

Well, then here it comes. I have tried to read Leiber, had one of his books on my nightstand for literally years trying to force my way through it but as soon as, well, basically anything showed up I threw myself over it promising I would finish Leiber later as he is supposedly one of the great. I didn't find it bad as such, just kinda dull and what I read was more a collection of what I found to be fairly uninspirational short stories than a proper novel. I am sucker for "epic" though, I want multi-volume storylines and plots that takes thousand of pages to resolve if ever. Simple hear rumour, investigate, fight evil wizard, booze stories have a hard time grabbing me even if I respect them for what they are.
 
I doubt there's a fantasy author loved by all, but if there is, it's probably Terry Pratchett. Considering his enormous success, you'd expect a lot more criticism (not just the occasional "meh!").
 
Pratchett! Of course, I have yet to even encounter a "meh" of anyone who have read him and that is despite his first books being far from stellar and his best work in my opinion being his "middle" books. Anyone on these boards who have read Pratchett, preferably more than the first few, who do not like it a lot? Even his less good books are only less good compared to his own work.
 
Well, then here it comes. I have tried to read Leiber, had one of his books on my nightstand for literally years trying to force my way through it but as soon as, well, basically anything showed up I threw myself over it promising I would finish Leiber later as he is supposedly one of the great. I didn't find it bad as such, just kinda dull and what I read was more a collection of what I found to be fairly uninspirational short stories than a proper novel. I am sucker for "epic" though, I want multi-volume storylines and plots that takes thousand of pages to resolve if ever. Simple hear rumour, investigate, fight evil wizard, booze stories have a hard time grabbing me even if I respect them for what they are.

*Sigh*

No complaint or chastizing, Joacqin, it's just me being sad at how the publishing/reading dynamic changed too late for Leiber.

It's one of the ironies of sff that the market has burgeoned for novelists, but the early genre writers were trained in the shorter forms -- trained in the sense that all of their efforts to learn to write were aimed at being published in the magazines -- and almost all of them were, at best, indifferent novelists.

Leiber lived long enough to see the change toward a genre based mainly on the novel form, but by the time the money was getting good in the '80s, he was past his prime -- he died in 1992 at the age of 81.


Randy M.
 
If one believes in the general idea behind the proposition that 25% of people have terrific taste, 25% of people have awful taste, and 50% of people have so-so taste, the best books are likely the ones that are popular with 75% of the population.
 
I adore Pratchett, but I know quite a few people who hate him, sorry. On the bright side, you gave me a great laugh with this thread. :)
 
If one believes in the general idea behind the proposition that 25% of people have terrific taste, 25% of people have awful taste, and 50% of people have so-so taste, the best books are likely the ones that are popular with 75% of the population.

I hope nobody ever believes in that general idea. Not much fact in those percentages, not to mention the subjectivity of taste.

I don't think it's possible for 100% of the reading population to enjoy something. Even a persons own reading path leading up to a certain work can greatly effect their experience with it.
 
And let's not forget Sturgeon's law that 90% of everything is crud (though he never did tell us what the 10% was!)

The other side of this is perhaps more scary: would we want a book or author loved by everyone?

Might make things around here a bit boring. ;)

Mark / Hobbit
 
Don't forget, too, that there will always be a certain percentage of people who will hate on stuff that everyone else loves just to be contrary (or, if you want to be less diplomatic about it, trollish).

For what it's worth, I'm a non-fan of Hobb's. I read the first book of Liveship Traders, hated pretty much all the characters (none of them convinced me as "people" rather than "here is a puppet who is going to be put through the plot motions"), and quit. Her other books might be better, but nothing I've heard about them tempts me to try.
 
Is there a reason why fantasies of epic length are the only ones which are receiving mention? What about about authors like Patricia McKillip, Ursula Le'Guin, or Gordon Dickson? They perhaps haven't written fantastically long fantasy cycles, but the Riddlemaster trilogy by McKillip is among my all time favorite works. I suppose I'm new around here, so I don't know what sort of treatment these authors have received...
 
Is there a reason why fantasies of epic length are the only ones which are receiving mention?

Well, we're in the Fantasy Forum so I guess any Fantasy writer is fair game.
I suppose I'm new around here, so I don't know what sort of treatment these authors have received...

And those authors have all been mentioned around here (welcome, btw Pellinore!) but all of them have had their fans and non-fans!

Liane: you make a good point. Just to be different. ;)

Mark / Hobbit
 

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