David Gemmell Dies at 57 (+ what next thread)

Thanks allanon... that is a huge compliment.

What a massive honour it would be to be asked to get involved. And a challenge of great proportions. Whether the third Troy book is ever finished is a matter for another day. All I can say is that, if I was approached to help in any capacity, I would do so in a heartbeat.

NOM
 
Lifted this from conan.com:

"on one of the other forums that go to someone found an excerpt of an interview that Gemmel gave. It explains why he wrote fantasy and who his prime characters were based on.

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Ever wondered where an author like David Gemmell gets his ideas from? In October 2000, while a guest author at the World Fantasy Convention in Texas, he gave his fans the following insight into his source of inspiration...

'There was this boy. He lived in fear. Not the tiny fears of manhood, but the awesomely powerful, living, breathing fear that only children can experience. He was different, this boy, from the other boys who lived in this bomb damaged London Street some few years after World War Two. He had no father.

Some of the other children had no father, but their lack was honorable. Dad died in the war, you know. He was a hero. This boy's lack was the subject of sly whispers from the adults, and open jeering from his peers. This boy's mother was - the boy heard so many times - a whore.

Happily the boy was only six, and had no real understanding of what the word meant. Anyway the word was less hurtful than the blows that would follow it. Most of the blows came from other children, but sometimes adults too would weigh in.

It was all baffling to the child. What he knew was that, before venturing out into the narrow streets and alleys, he had to peer from the windows of the small apartment to see if there were other children about. Only he didn't think of them as children. They were enemies, and he was frightened. Fear was the ever present companion. Fear was grafted to him. The journey to school was fraught with peril. The dark of the night brought fearful dreams.

His mother read him stories about heroes, and tried to encourage him to stand up for himself. But stories were just words, and words could not stop the punches, the pinches and the slaps.


The boy never dreamed of heroes. Not until he met one.

It was a bright, cold morning and he was sitting on a wall. One of the boys who made his life miserable ran up, shouting and gesticulating. The boy - more in panic than courage - finally struck out, punching his enemy in the face. The other child ran off screaming. His father came running from the house. 'You little bastard!' he shouted.

The boy took off as fast as he could, but no six year old can outrun a grown man. Within moments he grabbed the boy by the collar, swinging him from his feet.

Just then a huge shadow fell over the pair. The man - who had looked so threatening moments before - now looked small and insignificant against the looming newcomer. This colossus reached out and took hold of the man by the shirt, pushing him up against a wall.

In a low voice, chilling for its lack of passion, he asked. 'Do you know who I am?'

The man was trembling. Even the boy could feel the dreadful fear emanating from him.


'C.c.course I know who you are, Bill. Course I do.'

'Did you know I was walking out with this boy's mother?'

'Jesus Christ... I swear I didn't, Bill. On my mother's life.'


'Now you do.'

The big man let the little man go. He slid part way down the wall, recovered and stumbled away. Then the giant leaned over the boy and held out a hand that seemed larger than a bunch of bananas. 'Better be getting home, son,' he said.


The world changed that day. Men like Bill do change the world. They are the havens, the safe harbours of childhood. They are the watch hounds who keep the wolves at bay. They have an instinctive understanding of the child that is denied to the wise.

Two years later, as my stepfather, he cured me of dreams of vampires coming to drink my blood. My mother had tried explaining to me they were just dreams. They weren't real. It didn't work. She took me to a child psychologist, who showed me pictures, told me stories, explained about the birth of myth and the way that fear created pictures in our night time thoughts. It was very interesting, but it did nothing for my nightmares.

One night I woke up screaming - to find Bill sitting by my bedside.

'There's a vampire, dad. Its trying to get me.'


'I know, son,' he said, softly. 'I saw it.'

'You saw it?'


'Yeah. I broke its bloody neck. I won't have no vampires in my house'


I never dreamt of vampires again.

Years later, when I wrote my first novel, I used Bill as the model for a character. His name was Druss the Legend. Bill re-appeared in many novels thereafter, in many guises.


Always flawed, but always heroic.

Three years ago, at the age of 82, Bill was mugged on the streets of London. Three muggers broke his jaw, his nose and two of his ribs. He still managed to 'chin' one of them and knock him to the ground. That was Bill.

Last April he died.


And I wrote Ravenheart, and gave Bill centre stage.


Jaim Grymauch, who strides the highlands like a giant, is my homage to Bill, and to all those world changing fathers who pass away without fanfare; who leave the world just a little brighter than it was.


Men who know how to deal with vampires.'
 
Yeah, that story is quite well known and taken from David's introduction to Waylander or one of the Drenai Omnibuses.

(Still worth reading though!)

It has been quite humbling to see some of the clearly heartfelt posts about David in the last week or so. As the posts in this thread show, as well as many others around the Forums, he sounds like he was a wonderful man as well as a writer who can inspire so much (and so many!). For that, both David and his family can be very proud.

According to one of the obituaries (but only one as far as I know), 70 000 words of the final book have been written, though how much of a finished book that is is anyone's guess.

It may be worth a little more time before we start speculating what may happen beyond Shields of Thunder, which is still due out next month here in the UK. Let's read that first and give people time to adjust before being found guilty of rumour-mongering!

But yes, I also think James would do a wonderful job! :)

Mark / Hobbit
 
man i am gutted this is the first ive heard of his death.this was the guy who started me reading fantasy years ago,still my favourite.will be saddly missed
 
That story made me cry, like so many of his novels. I'm a sucker for a true hero I guess
 
The reading I went to was for RavenHeart where Gemmell spoke about the great man that his step father was. The book made me cry, and I am really pleased to have a signed copy of it.
 
I was crushed to hear of David's passing recently...

I had been looking forward to his latest book Shield of Thunder and was thinking as I was literally walking passed the book store (where I met him last year at a talk on Silver Bow's release), 'why don't I just pop in and see if David's coming again this year for the new book?' There were no notices inside so I just wandered to the Gemmell shelf in the fantasy section... where I found the notice of his death. It was a severe blow... I read it several times just to get it into my head - I just couldn't believe it.

I've since been looking around online, and I've seen how highly-regarded and respected an author he is, and I've also seen my own sad feelings reflected in many peoples' tributes.

It's been speculated that David had written some 70,000 words of the final Troy book, and some people have even suggested that someone else could possibly complete the saga in the future. While this does seem unlikely, it isn't unprecedented.

An example that comes to mind is Brian Herbert continuing to write work based in the same Dune universe created by his father Frank Herbert. Having 'cut his teeth' on two Dune-based trilogies, Brian (collaborating with Kevin J Anderson) has now even gone so far as to continue the actual Dune story where Frank left off at the 6th book 'Chapter House Dune'. I must say though that some of Brian's 'Legends of Dune' prequel stuff was pretty bad, so it isn't without great trepidation that I await the imminent release of the new 'Hunters of Dune'.

It should be pointed out though that Brian actually had discussions with his father and is apparently following Frank's original notes on how the Dune story was going to progress.

I don't know whether Gemmell has left any notes of any kind, in fact I think it's unlikely. Last year I asked him how he goes about writing a novel: did he, like some authors, make copious notes and meticulously plan story arcs well in advance of starting any 'real' writing, or did he prefer to let the story take it's own twists and turns as he was writing? David's answer was quite clear: though he did research his subjects (especially as Troy has aspects of historical reality) he didn't plan his stories out - his answer was basically "I know roughly what the story is, but I only know a chapter or two in advance what's actually going to happen."

So I think the existence of a 'map' of the final Troy novel is unlikely, though I hope I'm wrong.

I also wondered what the speculated 70,000 words actually amounts to - of course there are people much better qualified than me around here to tell us what it means, but I couldn't help estimating it myself. Taking the Silver Bow book (475 pages) as the basis, I worked out it has about 350 words per page, so for a 500 page novel you'd need 175,000 words. In short, the speculated 70,000 words David had already written wouldn't amount to even half the book. Still it's just a guess...

Even the most talented authors, intimately familiar with Gemmell's style, would have trouble finishing a half-written book without any clues on how the story's to progress, never mind trying to fill the immense boots vacated by one of the greatest fantasy authors at the height of his powers (IMO his Troy work is his best).

Though David said he doesn't make too many plans, we don't know the discussions he had with those close to him about his writing. There are several people involved in the writing, test reading and editing of David's books. I noticed in the Silver Bow book a "special thanks to Lawrence who put together and largely wrote the scene detailing the sinking of Gershom's ship." Though I remember vaguely something David said about not collaborating with other writers, it appears it wasn't beyond him to write a little with other people.

It remains to be seen what happens, if anything, in the future, but it will be with a heavy heart that I finish reading the Shield of Thunder.
 
When I learnt of this, I was very heartbroken. I could always turn to Gemmel for a guaranteed great read.

*Sigh*

Though thankfully he has left behind lots of enjoyable books I can devour.
 
Update on this, from Stan Nicholls:

Monday, August 21, 2006


A DAVID GEMMELL MEMORIAL AWARD?

You never really get over the shock of losing a friend when they die prematurely. That certainly applies to those of us who admired David Gemmell, both as a writer and as a unique individual. His books will stand as his most enduring monument, but as the blow of his passing begins to soften, people are thinking about how else to honour his memory.

Fantasy author David Lee Stone has suggested the establishment of a David Gemmell Memorial Award. His proposal is that it be incorporated in the British Fantasy Awards, presented at Fantasycon, the annual event hosted by the British Fantasy Society. One idea is that it would be for Best Newcomer in the fantasy fiction field, and any novel published in that category, whether from a major house or a small press, would be eligible. As with all BFA categories, titles would be nominated by and voted on by the BFS membership.

The Fantasycon committee have made it clear that they would be prepared to consider instigating an award in Dave Gemmell's name, and will be discussing the pros and cons at their AGM at this years Fantasycon (held in Nottingham, 22nd-24th September). But they will also take on board opinions expressed by people who can't get to the convention this year, or currently arent British Fantasy Society members.



To provide a platform for all opinions on this, I've started a thread on the BFS discussion board, which can be found here: http://www.marieoregan.net/bfsdiscuss/index.php?topic=747.0

Non-BFS members can view the forum. If anyone wants to post a comment, registration is simple, quick and free.



I can't think of a better way of permanently celebrating one of the greatest fantasy authors of all time than launching an award bearing his name. But I'd be interested in what others think; and I'm sure the Fantasycon committee would be, too.
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Well, hopefully I'll be there at FantasyCon, and personally I think the idea of the Gemmell award is a good 'un. Any more thoughts?

Hobbit
 
i think an award would be a well deserved and fitting tribute to the best author of heroic fantasy
 
Knights of Dark Renown was my first David Gemmell novel, and I remember being amazed at how uniquely entertaining his style was. Then I got my greedy hands on Legend, King Beyond The Gate, and his many other great novels, and was just fascinated by how hard hitting and unexpected his stories were. His novels are like roller coasters, you don't know what twists and turns are coming up, but it got your adrenaline pumping and you'd wind up with a silly grin, and when it's over, you're ready for more.

It was with a copy of Drenai Tales that I was able to convert some friends into fantasy fans. My friends and I were all saddened by the passing of someone that has provided so much entertainment to us over the years.

I'm glad that there are so many great books and characters to remind us of how immensely talented David Gemmell was. An award honouring great fantasy is a fitting tribute to the true Legend.
 
Just wanted to also add that I've read some Gemmell fans recommend James Barclay works, and it was for that reason that I bought all his Raven novels, and I am absolutely enthralled by them. I think it's awesome that there are writers who are influenced or inspired by David Gemmell, and wish them success, they have a great tradition of heroic fantasy to uphold.
 
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Thank you, Wu-Z, very kind words. David was an inspiration before I met him, an incredible mentor and friend in the years I knew him and will remain all three as my career (hopefully) continues.

Glad you are enjoying The Raven :)

NOM
 
Truly what next?

:confused: I was/am devestated when I heard David Gemmell had passed away, I have read all of his books and love them all.
I was taken in by his Troy trilogy, I have just finished the second in the trilogy : Shield of Thunder.
I wish to know if anyone knows if the third in the trilogy: Fall of Kings will be released, as i've heard that he has written 70,000 of it. So does anyone know anything about the third book?

thankyou

P.S My condolenences to davids family.

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[ADMIN EDIT: email removed. Hobbit]
 
I belive there will be a 'statement' about things in the near future....but i dont know when.
 
From David's Publisher (with thanks to The Write Fantastic, who let me know)


"Transworld are delighted to announce that David Gemmell's wife, Stella, is going to complete FALL OF KINGS, the final novel in the Troy trilogy.

"David delivered 70,000 words of FALL OF KINGS to his editor the day before he went into hospital, taking the story up to the final siege.

"He had discussed the storyline with Stella who has been deeply involved with the research and creation of the trilogy since its inception in 2003. He left behind him a chapter by chapter plan as to how each character should develop and how he saw the final novel ending.

"David's editor at Transworld, Selina Walker, says, 'There's in no doubt that there is no better person than Stella to conclude this magnificent trilogy of novels in the way David would have wanted'."

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[NB: Hobbit Note:] For those who are not aware, Stella has worked with David and in the field for over 20 years.

Good news!

Hobbit
 
That is good news.

It's fitting that nothing should bar his last trilogy from being completed. Triumphing over adversity was a big part of what his writing was all about.
 

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