Deadhouse Gates Was Amazing(spoilers) Also a couple of questions

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I'd say this book was probably my second favorite book I've read, favorite being A Game of Thrones but it's very close. The book had some of my favorite characters ever. Duiker was so well developed and I felt completely immersed in him when following his viewpoint. Also his thought process was really enjoyable to follow since he knew enough of war and politics to let me know what people's motives were. He let you get into the head of the common grunt, the generals, and the snobby nobles. The other character I fell in love with was Iskaral Pust. His whole persona is awesome. I actually laughed outloud multiple times when reading his dialog.

I also liked how he managed to incorporate a little more humor into the book. Some of my favorites were

"Oh, aye. Of course, of course! Why not, why ever not? To walk the maze back out? Insanity!
Iskaral Pust is anything but insane, as you all well know"


And honestly, almost every time I read any of Pust's dialog I found it amusing.

"Turn right, proceed thirty-four paces, turn right again, twelve paces, then through door on the right,
thirty-five paces, through archway on right another eleven paces, turn right one last time, fifteen paces,
enter the door on the right.'
Mappo stared at Iskaral Pust.
The High Priest shifted nervously.
'Or,' the Trell said, eyes narrowed,'turn left, nineteen paces.'
'Aye,' Iskaral muttered.
Mappo strode to the door. 'I shall take the short route, then.'
'If you must,' the High Priest growled"

"The historian sighed, glancing up at the mage. 'Can you not repair it? What was your warren again,
Kulp?'
'Boat repair,' the man answered.
'Very well,' Duiker said, climbing back onto the dock. 'I take your point..."



The last thing I really enjoyed was a lot of the philosophy and beliefs he showed throughout the book, most of this seemed to come from either Duiker or Heboric.

Not very many questions after reading this one since the story was more straightforward and they made it easier to understand basically what was happening. The only thing I didn't exactly understand was what was the difference between D'ivers and Soultaken or are they just interchangable names for the same thing? Another about D'ivers and Soultaken was they seemed to hint at that in order to become a D'ivers or Soultaken you needed to die and be reborn or something along those lines or was that just a misconception on my part?

Anyway, thats about all I had to say. For anybody who read Gardens this book is much easier to follow and I think just better overall(this isn't saying I didn't like Gardens. From what I've heard people seem to say the series drops off significantly after 3rd or 4th or 5th book.
 
D'ivers are multiple beings from one consciousness , where as soultaken are one consciousness per body. I don't think you need to die to become soultaken or d'ivers .
 
yeah its a lengthy series and a lot of the terms and coinage you will pick up as you go but justly most of it you will pick up based on context clues.

Erickson does some very humorous characters though.. indeed on that. Keep reading it.. I'm one of those who is enjoying it and liking the pace.
 
I for one loved Gardens of the Moon. However, Ive read about 300 pages of Deadhouse Gates and I simply cannot get into it. Not feeling any of the POV's at all. In fact I put it aside and have been reading other books. Trying to convince myself to go back and finish it but I just can't make myself do it.
 
I found the series easier to get into after Deadhouse Gates. I just completed a reread of it, and I still think it's my least favorite book in the series. Can't pin why, but I just can't get into it as much as the other books.
 
I for one loved Gardens of the Moon. However, Ive read about 300 pages of Deadhouse Gates and I simply cannot get into it. Not feeling any of the POV's at all. In fact I put it aside and have been reading other books. Trying to convince myself to go back and finish it but I just can't make myself do it.

Hawkeyye, I agree in a way. The first half is a bit more difficult to really get into with this book, but if you stick with it the payoff is huge! Some of the best battle sequences take place that you may ever read about. There are some very moving heroics taking place. And if you are like me, you may actually even get a bit misty eyed at times. It is with this book that I think Erickson really started down the road of his pattern in each book...slow build up through the first half or 3/4 of the book, kind of like that clacking ascent on the first hill of a roller coaster, and then the second half or last 1/4 is a rush of action that is what it is all about.
 
I for one loved Gardens of the Moon. However, Ive read about 300 pages of Deadhouse Gates and I simply cannot get into it. Not feeling any of the POV's at all. In fact I put it aside and have been reading other books. Trying to convince myself to go back and finish it but I just can't make myself do it.

Same for me, I just couldn't get into Deadhouse Gates. However I found Memories of Ice to be the best book I've ever read, and Malazan is my favorite series by far.

And despite me ranking Deadhouse Gates at the bottom, it does have the best scene in the entire series at the end.
 
I loved Deadhouse Gates, the chain of dogs storyline ranks among my favourite fantasy sequences ever , and the ending was just..........
 
I am currently reading Deadhouse Gates and I'm starting to really enjoy it. The beginning seemed a bit sluggish to me, with the pacing and fluidity somewhat stymied by Erikson's infamously confounding style.

But, man, when this writer takes off, he REALLY takes off. For one thing, Erikson is hilarious. The OP said that he put a little humor into the story. I respectfully disagree. I think he put a lot of humor into the book. Some of the comedy is dark and some of it is damn near obscene. But even when it doesn't make me laugh outloud, even when it is somewhat muted, it still has sharpened edges and a spectacluar wit to it.

Plus, I just enjoy Erikson's writing ability. I criticized his first book unabashedly. There is a unique characteristic to his style of writing that I find somewhat bothersome: It's his vague and abstruse delivery. He writes as if every reader, even before purchasing the first or second book, has been through a Malazan indoctrination course. I have no idea what is a Trell or a Jaghut. I have never heard of soultaken and d'ivers before reading Erikson's books. Yet he jumps right into the narrative, throwing these terms around as if we the readers were all born and raised in Malazan.

However, though I might complain about this aspect of his approach to storytelling, I got to say once you get past this intitial confusion and sluggishness as a reader, once you get acclimated to the Malazan world, loooooook ooooooouuut . . . buckle your harness and strap on your headgear, 'cause you're about to go for an exciting, often dark and bumpy, but always wild, adrenaline-pumping ride.
 
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this is one of my favorite books too. I'd rate Memories of Ice slightly above it but they are both amazing.

I'd put them above any of Martin's books personally and I have a hard time separating the WoT series so its hard for me to compare it to that.

I would however put it ahead of

The Lies of Locke Lamora-this is a great book that I did enjoy however
The Way of Shadows-this surprise me, i expected it to be average
The Name of the Wind-Didn't live up to the hype but still above average IMHO
The Blade Itself-it was pretty good but i felt like there had been no real conflict yet
A Cavern of Black Ice- The same thing, lots of buildup to future book but not much conflict and resolution in the first book
Winterbirth-is this a trend in fantasy books for the first book in the series not to resolve anything?

I've ranked those in the order I liked them
 
I finally finished Deadhouse Gates. I enjoyed the first 100 or so pages, got bored with pages 100 through to about 650, then enjoyed the remainder of the book.

I'm onto Memories of Ice and, just over 200 pages in, I've loved the entire book so far.
 
I like Deadhouse Gates, however, it seems that I may be one of a few who didn't enjoy the viewpoints of Duiker and the Chain of Dogs. I really like the viewpoints of Fiddler, Felisin, Kalam, and basically everyone besides the characters involved with the Chain of Dogs.

I found myself skimming through the Chain of Dogs at some points, wanting to read about other stuff (I find myself doing this often with books that contain, in my opinion, uninteresting sections). I still got the basic idea of what was happening, so near the end of the book I felt emotions when things got emotional.

On the other hand, I was enthralled throughout Memories of Ice.
 
I loved Deadhouse Gates, the chain of dogs storyline ranks among my favourite fantasy sequences ever , and the ending was just..........

The ending of the chain of dogs storyline made the entire book worth it for me. The book wasn't perfect but the Duiker storyline nearly was.

This book made me a fan of Erikson.
 
I personally fail to seethe appeal of this series. GotM was OK, and DG slightly better. I am about 200 pages onto MoI, and unless it gets a lot more interesting, I think it will be the end of the Malazan series for me.
I am trying to like them, but all the popping in and out of warrens this and this card is in play now and this acsandant that just comes off as confusing and uninteresting.
 
I have come to expect that reading a Malazan book is kind of like going up that first hill of a roller coaster. The first two thirds of the book are generally like that slow, clackety-clack ride up to the top of the hill, and the last third is like that rush going down the other side. I know that is how it seems to go, and it works for me. I can see how it wouldn't work for others though =/
 
I personally fail to seethe appeal of this series. GotM was OK, and DG slightly better. I am about 200 pages onto MoI, and unless it gets a lot more interesting, I think it will be the end of the Malazan series for me.
I am trying to like them, but all the popping in and out of warrens this and this card is in play now and this acsandant that just comes off as confusing and uninteresting.

At this point it's probably safe to say that the series is not for you. I'm in the middle of the fourth book House of Chains and I love the series so far. Even when things are slow I love it, the world building, characters, fantasy elements to me are second to none.

On the other hand, I could not get into GRRM's AsoIaF or Hobb's Assassin's seies. To each his own. I usually try to give a complete book a chance before I bail, sometimes I don't even make it that far.
 

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