GRRM's pick for best epic fantasy of 2011

3rdI

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Well well well...The great bearded one, GRRM, listed his recommendations for the Hugo awards. And what book did he mention as the best work of epic fantasy he read in 2011, befitting both Hugo and World Fantasy Award consideration? Well that would be The Wise Man's Fear by Patrick Rothfuss.

While I don't put any weight in any of these awards at all, I simply wanted to point out that even your beloved George recognizes how exceptionally good The Wise Man's Fear is.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/262170.html

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*disclaimer*

Just having a little good-natured fun.
 
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I'm surprised it took you three days to post that, 3rdI!

No doubt, George has a keen eye for good writing/storytelling. He's listed some solid books in that post.

There is an interesting discussion if you follow that thread through all the replies.
 
I'm surprised it took you three days to post that, 3rdI!

No doubt, George has a keen eye for good writing/storytelling. He's listed some solid books in that post.

There is an interesting discussion if you follow that thread through all the replies.

LOL I am just glad you took it as the joke was intended. Honestly no disrespect there just HAD to post it.

Yeah I read that discussion and it was really good. That one guy was kirking on GRRM because he didn't mention Bakker and Erikson and I thought GRRM handled that guy well. You know how highly I think of Bakker, but it seemed like a goofy place to start a debate like that. Interesting reading though.
 
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That one guy was kirking on GRRM because he didn't mention Bakker and Erikson and I thought GRRM handled that guy well. You know how highly I think of Bakker, but it seemed like a goofy place to start a debate like that. Interesting reading though.
He had a point. I'd put it as this: he saw Martin as having the potential to help out his contemporaries. Martin is a name known by millions now, whether you're a horror fan (Fevre Dream), a superhero fan (Wild Cards), a sci-fi reader (his endorsement on books such as Leviathan Wakes) or a fantasy reader (that small series called A Song of Ice and Fire), and that gives him... some level of power. Gaiman's endorsement of Vera Brosgol's Anya's Ghost would have aided its sales, for example, because Gaiman is a household name in the comics industry, as well as the fantasy one due to books such as Neverwhere and Coraline.

His point was, in my opinion, that Martin should have instead celebrated works by Bakker and so on as they are authors who deserve the mention for whatever reason. Rothfuss is everyone's best friend right now, Stephen King is beyond being a household name, Abraham and Franck are friends of Martin and have had a lot of success with LW, to the point where it's on a lot of Best Of lists.

If Martin says on his blog that Bakker got, say, an honorable mention in his Best Of... list, Bakker would see an increase in sales because people would check his books out 'cos Martin likes them. You can't tell me you've not checked out a book an author has mentioned before, because we've all done it, even if we haven't bought it.

Guess that was what he was trying to say. Not that Martin was wrong to make his choices, but that perhaps Martin should consider lending a hand to those who need it, rather than those that everyone reads anyway. Except me, of course, 'cos I'm not going to read Rothfuss.
 
Martin isn't required to give anyone a helping hand. Particularly in a post about books he personally thinks are deserving of HUGO or WFA consideration. He was simply pointing out the best books he read in 2011. I am as big a fan of Scott Bakker as you will find, but I find it absurd that someone had the nerve to tell GRRM who he SHOULD be mentioning on his blog.
 
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As GRRM points out, he's a big fan of Bakker's but hasn't read the new books yet. He only read the PoN trilogy a few years back when he and Bakker were on the same bill at a convention. So he couldn't ask people to vote for The White Luck Warrior as he hasn't read it himself yet. Which is fair enough, I think.

I'm not sure who's likely to win the Hugo this year. Hugo voters tend to be dismissive of epic fantasy, which likely rules out Rothfuss and Martin himself. I think Leviathan Wakes has a shot (old-school space opera!), as has The Quantum Thief (still eligible due to its late American publication, and Stross is pushing it I believe). However, we can never forget the Old Worldcon Geeks' Network, which last year gave the award to a thoroughly undeserving Connie Willis (for that book; she's written some other, excellent books). This year the most likely candidate on that list is Vernor Vinge, but we'll see.
 
Yeah I read that discussion and it was really good. That one guy was kirking on GRRM because he didn't mention Bakker and Erikson and I thought GRRM handled that guy well. You know how highly I think of Bakker, but it seemed like a goofy place to start a debate like that. Interesting reading though.

Agreed, I think that's the most interesting part of the whole discussion. Plus it's always good to see a big-name writer like GRRM addressing criticism well without taking it too personally.

And I guess I need to get off my keister and put WMF on my reading queue, huh? Those of you who've read it, how does it stack up to NotW?
 
Agreed, I think that's the most interesting part of the whole discussion. Plus it's always good to see a big-name writer like GRRM addressing criticism well without taking it too personally.

And I guess I need to get off my keister and put WMF on my reading queue, huh? Those of you who've read it, how does it stack up to NotW?

Even better than NOTW. Definitely worth a read.
 
It would be interesting to know if GRRM read more than just the top billings that he's now listed as the best of the year. I suspect not, actually, given how little time he has available to distribute. In fact I am quite surprised that he's read this much. His lack of time seems to be offset by the fact that he's an incredibly fast reader (for instance I could never read a tome like The Wise Man's Fear in less than 5 days, even if I took days off work and read all day long).

It seems like GRRM has chosen to read those books which are already garnering huge acclaim, and has now given them his stamp of approval, he is enamoured by them as well. It's just that this does not say a lot about whether or not these where actually the best books of 2011, because they are not part of a larger sample. GRRM does not claim this, but I thought I should point it out.
 
I think it is crazy that people are questioning Martin on this. On his personal blog, he listed which books he thought were the best he read in 2011 and garnered some Hugo and WFA consideration.

As Martin himself mentioned, should the fact that WMF sold a large number of copies disqualify it from consideration for an award? Should Martin's own book, ADWD, be disqualified because of the large number of copies sold? Of course not. Is there some imaginary cut off line regarding total copies sold and award consideration?

No one voting has read every single book released in 2011. There is definitely a word of mouth component to any book looked at for consideration. The buzz has to start somewhere.

As for the notion that Rothfuss is just some flash in the pan is nonsense. NOTW came out in 2007. WMF last year. With those two books he has established himself as an exceptional writer. There is a reason you see NOTW and WMF on best of lists time and again. There is a reason KKC made the top 20 on the NPR list without even being finished yet. There is a reason one of the most respected fantasy authors in the business thinks WMF is the best work of epic fantasy he read in 2011. If these books were not exceptional, we would not be having this conversation, or the numerous other KKC/Rothfuss related conversations that have taken place.
 
Pugio,
I have read both NotW and WMF and while I absolutely loved NotW I found WMF lacking in several ways for me. Everyone likes what they like. 3rdI's love affair with WMF is well documented and he has his reasons. There is no right or wrong on enjoying a book.
If you liked NotW I would say WMF belongs on your list of things to read. I say this even though I was very disappointed in WMF. To me NotW was so good that it's worth getting through WMF just to be in position to enjoy the finale of the series. I am very hopeful that the finale will more resemble the story-telling in NotW than WMF. If that is the case then getting through WMF will certainly have been worth it.
 
Actually Pugio it is certainly not just me that thinks The Wise Man's Fear is an exceptional book. There are thousands and thousands of others. George R.R. Martin being one of those people. SFFWorld gave it a glowing review. I do believe you will even find it on both Rob's and Hobbit's best of 2011 lists. I think you will enjoy WMF. Happy reading.
 
Will nothing cure me of my inability to read past page 40 of "The Name of the Wind" ???

I have never had so much difficulty getting into a book. I'm a total slut too, I'll read anything!

Anyway, Leviathan Wakes was entertaining but hardly worthy of a Hugo. Crippled God FTW!
 
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Bakker and so on as they are authors who deserve the mention for whatever reason. Rothfuss is everyone's best friend right now, Stephen King is beyond being a household name, Abraham and Franck are friends of Martin and have had a lot of success with LW, to the point where it's on a lot of Best Of lists...but that perhaps Martin should consider lending a hand to those who need it, rather than those that everyone reads anyway.

Erikson's series is a huge bestselling one, known far more widely and with more highly vocal fans than Abraham. Scott Bakker is a bestseller who has been on plenty of Best lists at various times and certainly is a bigger name than young Franck. Complaining that one bestselling, SFF sensation didn't get a mention when others did is something that is going to happen but isn't very realistic. Martin can only read so many novels (he's supposed to be writing and doing nothing else I'm told,) and he's saying what he liked best of what he read.

Big name author endorsements are helpful but are somewhat of limited use as many readers don't trust them from the authors and rely on other sources for word of mouth instead. Certainly the people who usually vote for the Hugo are fairly knowledgeable about the field and unlikely to be much influenced by Martin's picks. The Hugo being a vote what you love if you've paid your convention fee sort of award, the big winner will be whichever author has the most organized fans with cash. Winning the Hugo Award certainly does help with sales, though not as much as it used to, and it does tend to be a popularity contest in the novel category, with bigger names being the best known picks. That being said, it's still a celebration of books people find worthy and advocate. Some of those books will be bestsellers. And I doubt Martin hates any of them. :)
 

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