I miss the old internet

Jonathan Scott Griffin

Registered User
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
90
Is it just me or is today's internet boring and overly commercialized? I feel like today's internet is like a modern mall, sterile and boring with just main-brand clothing stores, a food court, and not a lot else. Whereas I feel like the old internet was more like an exciting urban playground. First off, yes, I know that the old internet was dial-up and you could get kicked off if someone picked up the phone. I also know it was much slower. I lived through it. I was in middle school when my dad got the internet in the mid 1990s, probably about 1995-96?

To elucidate what I'm talking about when it came to being more exciting, I mean it had more personality. Say you were a nerd and you liked Star Wars, Star Trek, anime, video games, or RPGs, you would type in whatever you liked, and you would get individually designed Geocities sites, some well-designed, some just plain garish, but each unique, each with its own personality, each a love letter to the particular fandom. Each site lovingly stocked with screenshots, synopsizes of episodes or games, and loaded with fanfiction and reviews. Now if you were to type in Nintendo, Super Mario, Star Trek, Star Wars, Hayao Miyazaki, etc, etc, you aren't going to get many of these individual fan shrines anymore. Nope. Instead, you'll be directed to online stores to buy their products and the main companies and corporations that release these franchises. The most personalized you'll get are wikis in which a bunch of people contributes to the topic. All these wikis have the same layout and are just dull, devoid of emotion. I miss the independent sites of Nintendo 64 vs PS1, or sites that praised Disney or praised anime, as well as sites that hated both genres.

It's not just nerdy stuff I miss. The old internet was also great for counter-culture. For example, I am a naturist, meaning someone who likes to hang out naked in nature and skinny-dip with other like-minded people. Clarification. No, I'm not a voyeur, a pervert, or an exhibitionist. Nor will I send nudes. I just subscribe to the body-positive philosophy of naturism for self-esteem, physical, and mental health. But if you look up naturism on a search engine nowadays, tons of porn pages come up now. Believe it or not, there were more legit naturist sites that came up in the late 1990s and early 2000s than there is now. It seems like the porn industry took over that word and warped it. Also with today's net, if not porn pages, it's newspaper articles about a clothing-optional beach or something from TNS or AANR. But those personalized naturist sites that sucked me into the lifestyle are all gone now. Again, the old internet was great for counter-culture, and not just counter-culture regarding naturists. I found an independent website which was just a collection of photos from all the Woodstock festivals of the 1990s.


Counterculture aside, the old internet was just strange. Sites like Fat Mouse and The Ultimate Ninja Webpage (which can still be found) were just built to be plain loony. Let's not forget Zombo, which has soothing music and promises great things, but does nothing else. One of my favorites was a joke site asking them to change the movie Return of the King to another name, a parody of the site that wanted them to change the name of the second Lord of the Rings film Two Towers to something else because they were worried that it would make people think of 9/11. On the joke page Change the Name of the Return of the King site, they used the argument that it would make people think that Elvis had returned. Just plain nuttiness when it came to websites. Some sites were so simple too, with just dancing cartoon characters. Other bizarre things were a site that advertised a book more evil than the Necronomicon, claiming that this book, though, was the real deal, and even scared the Nazis. Fake? Sure! But it gave me the heebie-jeebies. That last site I can't find anymore. Or it was strange sites dealing with bizarre spirituality, which can also be considered counter-culture. The oddest of all was the old video sites, like Homestar Runner and Albino Blacksheep. Each video site was unique, not a conglomeration like Youtube.

Last but not least, what about the links? Each individual website had a list of links, leading you deeper and deeper down the internet, making you explore for hours on end.

I could say that Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, and Google helped ruin the internet, but really it was that everyone started using it. The internet used to be a haven for nerds, geeks, artists, and bohemian misfits until the cool kids crashed it. Now the internet is dull and stale and overly commercialized.

That said, I realize I am a hypocrite. I have a Patreon account, hoping to make money off of my writing, and I certainly wish to make money off of Medium. Nonetheless, I still feel like the old internet is dead, and it's a great loss. At one time the internet felt huge. Now it feels so small, and so much angrier.
 
Last edited:
Internet? I miss the old dial-in BBS boards. I am giving serious consideration to getting my hands on an old PC/Apple II and starting one up in my home.
 
No, I understand. The early internet was mostly about communicating ideas and interacting with like minded people. Now it's the domain of trolls, so called 'celebrities', shopping, and porn. You can still find interesting and cool places (like here) but it takes more work than it did in the past.

Thankfully you can still pull up some historic pages at archive.org.
 
Is it just me or is today's internet boring and overly commercialized? I feel like today's internet is like a modern mall, sterile and boring with just main-brand clothing stores, a food court, and not a lot else. Whereas I feel like the old internet was more like an exciting urban playground. First off, yes, I know that the old internet was dial-up and you could get kicked off if someone picked up the phone. I also know it was much slower. I lived through it. I was in middle school when my dad got the internet in the mid 1990s, probably about 1995-96?

To elucidate what I'm talking about when it came to being more exciting, I mean it had more personality. Say you were a nerd and you liked Star Wars, Star Trek, anime, video games, or RPGs, you would type in whatever you liked, and you would get individually designed Geocities sites, some well-designed, some just plain garish, but each unique, each with its own personality, each a love letter to the particular fandom. Each site lovingly stocked with screenshots, synopsizes of episodes or games, and loaded with fanfiction and reviews. Now if you were to type in Nintendo, Super Mario, Star Trek, Star Wars, Hayao Miyazaki, etc, etc, you aren't going to get many of these individual fan shrines anymore. Nope. Instead, you'll be directed to online stores to buy their products and the main companies and corporations that release these franchises. The most personalized you'll get are wikis in which a bunch of people contributes to the topic. All these wikis have the same layout and are just dull, devoid of emotion. I miss the independent sites of Nintendo 64 vs PS1, or sites that praised Disney or praised anime, as well as sites that hated both genres.

It's not just nerdy stuff I miss. The old internet was also great for counter-culture. For example, I am a naturist, meaning someone who likes to hang out naked in nature and skinny-dip with other like-minded people. Clarification. No, I'm not a voyeur, a pervert, or an exhibitionist. Nor will I send nudes. I just subscribe to the body-positive philosophy of naturism for self-esteem, physical, and mental health. But if you look up naturism on a search engine nowadays, tons of porn pages come up now. Believe it or not, there were more legit naturist sites that came up in the late 1990s and early 2000s than there is now. It seems like the porn industry took over that word and warped it. Also with today's net, if not porn pages, it's newspaper articles about a clothing-optional beach or something from TNS or AANR. But those personalized naturist sites that sucked me into the lifestyle are all gone now. Again, the old internet was great for counter-culture, and not just counter-culture regarding naturists. I found an independent website which was just a collection of photos from all the Woodstock festivals of the 1990s.


Counterculture aside, the old internet was just strange. Sites like Fat Mouse and The Ultimate Ninja Webpage (which can still be found) were just built to be plain loony. Let's not forget Zombo, which has soothing music and promises great things, but does nothing else. One of my favorites was a joke site asking them to change the movie Return of the King to another name, a parody of the site that wanted them to change the name of the second Lord of the Rings film Two Towers to something else because they were worried that it would make people think of 9/11. On the joke page Change the Name of the Return of the King site, they used the argument that it would make people think that Elvis had returned. Just plain nuttiness when it came to websites. Some sites were so simple too, with just dancing cartoon characters. Other bizarre things were a site that advertised a book more evil than the Necronomicon, claiming that this book, though, was the real deal, and even scared the Nazis. Fake? Sure! But it gave me the heebie-jeebies. That last site I can't find anymore. Or it was strange sites dealing with bizarre spirituality, which can also be considered counter-culture. The oddest of all was the old video sites, like Homestar Runner and Albino Blacksheep. Each video site was unique, not a conglomeration like Youtube.

Last but not least, what about the links? Each individual website had a list of links, leading you deeper and deeper down the internet, making you explore for hours on end.

I could say that Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, and Google helped ruin the internet, but really it was that everyone started using it. The internet used to be a haven for nerds, geeks, artists, and bohemian misfits until the cool kids crashed it. Now the internet is dull and stale and overly commercialized.

That said, I realize I am a hypocrite. I have a Patreon account, hoping to make money off of my writing, and I certainly wish to make money off of Medium. Nonetheless, I still feel like the old internet is dead, and it's a great loss. At one time the internet felt huge. Now it feels so small, and so much angrier.

What I really miss from the early internet is Usenet. There used to be all kinds of recipe boards, SF discussion boards, slash boards, alt boards. If you could imagine it, there was a board dedicated to it.
 
Early Usenet was great you could carry on chats with the famous such as Terry Prattchet (Pterry) and then the trolls descended on it.... I was on the Source (TCD457) in the late 70s and then came Compu$erve (72405,32 yep your id string was in Octal) in the early 80s all via 300 baud hand set cradle modems... my first 1200 baud "modern" modem cost almost $800 1981 dollars... and the phone line problems on the island where I lived at the time were so bad they were frequently forcing it to back off to 300 or even 75 baud
 
When the internet started, it was international, free, and organised by scientists. While there were always Americans involved, the internet wasn't controlled by the USA in the slightest. The original IRC chat forums that I used a lot when I was a student were created by a Dutchman and given to the web community for nothing, like so much of the early web development. Usenet was great. I was a big contributor to the Tolkien forums, usually with light-hearted discussions to counter all the flame wars. Usenet was a genuinely international thing and not noticeably US American at all. It never occurred to me that anyone could own and keep anything I ever said, it was all a medium, like paper, but with immediate international discourse and co-operation. I made lots of genuine friends in those days, from Croatia, Norway, all over Europe, people I later met up with in real life. Of course there were adverts on the early web, but they weren't important.

What happened was that it got taken over by the USA corporate sector with the full connivance of international governments. Amazon, Google, Paypal and Ebay, Netflix and especially Facebook, there's so little that you can do that isn't owned and controlled by corporate US billionaires. The Usenet chatrooms were bought by Google and now everything you've ever said is searchable, including all the daft late-night stuff I wrote in 1999. All of them follow your every move, Google and Facebook especially, they know where you live, they know what you buy, they know what you did last summer, they know what you did yesterday. Your news, your searches, are all controlled by people who are genuinely corrupt, interested in moulding your thoughts 1984-style while taking all your money. I loathe Facebook, and wouldn't ever use it, except that I have to in order to have a social life. When I email people they reply with a Facebook message saying 'Hi, I got your email...'

I have not made a real friend on the internet in more than a decade. There isn't actually much I do on the web these days, as there's so little of interest for me. All the forums like Reddit etc are far too USA-mainstream-culture saturated for me to have any interest. That includes every single philosophy discussion forum on the web today, every one, all of which are are without exception American forums filled with Americans discussing Jesus or Donald Trump and getting intellectual philosophy wrong. There is no English language news outlet I know of that is genuinely international, free, unbiased, and uncontrolled by Fascists or billionaires, excepting Qatar's Al-Jazeera, which is good for Arabic and Asian unbiased journalism. That's the only one I can think of, and it doesn't focus on Britain, Continental Europe or the non-mainstream USA. I really do have to get my news piecemeal, from single-issue sites, including non-English-language ones, in order to know anything about the world that is actually truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I do not have access to unbiased truth in any non-digital medium either. Accessing the truth in the English language is now difficult.

In my student days there were lots of independent video stores where you could hire or buy French, Italian, Swedish, Indian or Persian films. The internet closed all of those down, so now I can only get video rental or purchase online - and I can no longer get French, Italian, Swedish, Indian or Persian films! They don't exist on Amazon, Netflix etc, and on the rare occasions when I can find something I get the message 'This movie is not available in your country'! It really is true that for the English language internet Corporate America has closed down everything that is not mainstream US 'culture'. Nowadays I would have to learn Persian to get simple access to Persian films.

There is no need for this! Here in Europe we could just invest some time and money in a wonderful, high-functionality, non-corrupt, non-Corporate-American equivalent to Facebook, and decide to all use it together. But no-one ever does! We could invest time and money in a real news outlet, completely rejecting the control of mainstream America, yet at the same time being culturally rich, interesting, full of news and stories of the real world, unbiased and important. There's no reason why not. Yet that doesn't exist!

Human culture, particularly English-speaking culture, needs urgently to break away from Facebook, CNN, the BBC, Amazon, Apple, Google, and make a real collective go at building an alternative internet that is what the original internet should have become. And that includes all decent US Americans who reject mainstream US 'culture'. I'm up for it!
 
Early Usenet was great you could carry on chats with the famous such as Terry Prattchet (Pterry) and then the trolls descended on it.... I was on the Source (TCD457) in the late 70s and then came Compu$erve (72405,32 yep your id string was in Octal) in the early 80s all via 300 baud hand set cradle modems... my first 1200 baud "modern" modem cost almost $800 1981 dollars... and the phone line problems on the island where I lived at the time were so bad they were frequently forcing it to back off to 300 or even 75 baud
Ah, yes. Back when you could type faster than the modem could send the letters. Still, you felt like a mad genius just being able to do that.
 
15, 20 yrs ago we were on the frontier of the wild west. There wasn't much policing but there seemed to more freedom/ creativity. Pirates ruled the seas.

Welcome to regulation, commercialism and copyright. The high street has moved online as has a lot of our social interation. The big media outlets have cottoned on and use the net as a place to push sales/ political ideas/ propaganda.

There's still a lot of good content out there- it's just harder to find with the commercial bloatware in cyberspace.
 
Usenet was great. Now you need to subscribe to a service to use it.
 
Dialup connections when you were permanently low on cash were a source of stress. Tick tock. Spoiled the experience more than a little.
 
For me the dialup were also in state long distance phone calls which while not as crazy expensive as international long distance my family still had a 3 min hour glass next to the home phone line. though by the 70s those expenses were not as big an impact as they were in the 50s and 60s when the timer was a necessity to be sure to keep such calls under the 3 min mark. even in the late 80s my phone bill was the biggest part of my hobby expenses
 
I'm sure all we oldies all have stories that would baffle our kids. I remember having to share a (56k) modem with my wife - she on her PC and me manfully struggling with an ancient Mac. For her to get onto the net meant me coming off and rerouting cables - and vice versa when it was my turn. After a short while we scrounged up some more cables a few adaptors and a data switch. We couldn't be on at the same time but changing over was much more manageable and involved (like all mad science desktop lash ups) throwing a big physical switch. Mwahahaha!

Time was we were the go to people to help people 'set up' their laboriously manually configured POP email accounts - "Wait! STMP? No... it should be 'SMTP dot Blahblah'. That's why it's not working... ! - Christ I can't believe it took us an hour to find that!"

Now I get my daughters to do all that s**t. Because it's all way beyond me.
 
All Your Base Are Belong To Us.

Would you believe that I clicked into the "General Discussion" forum, a subforum on this site I almost never visit, specifically to post my own rant on this very topic?

The internet is dead. Whatever this thing is, it isn't the internet. It's just a bunch of billboards and propaganda.

I give wikipedia two more years -- at most -- before it has to sell and move to a profit-earning model.

The Wild West metaphor is appropriate. We used to be able to do whatever we wanted. And since the internet and its culture was built by nerds and geeks, the content of the internet was built around geek culture. Special interest sites everywhere. And, everywhere, a general anti-"the-man" ethos. But Web 2.0 effed that up completely. When boards like this one moved off Usenet and onto website, it created two separate internets -- the "above board" internet for the plebs, and the original internet underneath it. As usual, the plebs are too numerous, and their internet has completely overshadowed the internet I knew and helped make in my own little corner of it.

With the plebs online, we skipped gentrification and moved directly into turning the internet into a suburban bedroom community for the corporate sheeple. And god is it awful.

Like it or lump it, even PC users should be Mac users these days. With a Mac, you buy an entire interface system that defines how you do and use almost everything. Windows, to become successful again, is shifting themselves into a different version of the Mac environment. The old days of the internet basically required you to be a PC/Windows user (or whatever other OS you'd like, cuz they were easy to find, half of them were free... And all the shell mods... remember the shell mods?). Everything was customizable. The state of your hardware rig was far more important than your social media profile.

Remember when Quake 3: Arena came out and you HAD to buy your 3D graphics card to play it? That was a huge move. Took Mac forever to catch up to that development. I had three Voodoo IIs linked through SLI. Man, those explosions were beautiful. More FPS than my monitor could even show!!! And the gamer mod culture was everything. I still want to slap the idiots who think TF1 was for Half Life.

I went online in 1994, age 13, with the first public ISP offered where I grew up. Most of the sites I visited were text-only at that time. IRC was about the most fun you could have until we got Doom a few months later and my neighbour and I started fighting each other from across the street. 14.4 modem -- booyah! By 15, I had authored numerous Geocites pages (some of which used to be stashed on the WayBack Machine, but are no longer there :'( ).

I was a member of webrings, and a huge Usenet poster in fan sites. I still have the personal email addresses of several celebrities I used to talk to in Usenet.

Remember ripping Syndicate from a Usenet binary, the builder spreading it across like eleven 3.5" floppies? Then selling copies at school? Mwaa haa haaaaaaa.

In Nova Scotia, where I grew up, the ISP mPoweredPC started up in the mid 90s, offering 10mbps service over aDSL. (We used to run FTP servers for our entire Napster libraries and all of our warez. [When's the last time someone knew what the word "warez" meant?]) A few years later, a Bell spin off, Aliant, bought them out and offered 1mbps aDSL service for three times the price, with a bandwidth limit.

That was the beginning of the end. In the ENRON days, some douchebag noticed that you could price bandwidth as a free market commodity like ENRON had done with energy. Whichever politico OKed that is the one who effed us all.

Imagine if you could only flush your toilet 4 times in one day, because that's the service package you could afford. :mad:

That decision paved the way for DPI (deep packet inspection), which is what killed torrenting, and all the other traffic shaping policies ISPs now use. Forget SOPA; the end started much earlier.

When Google was new, it was truly a revelation. Hotbot was my fave before that. Metacrawler was pretty sweet when it launched. Now, the only old-school search engine left is Webcrawler, which, believe it or not, I now use more often than Google when searching for research because you can actually find what you're looking for with it.

Seriously, try it out. The web it shows you is much, much nicer than the one Google, Bing, Yahoo, or DuckDuckGo shows you. Webcrawler still searches by keyword, not page rank, so is now often (hilariously) more accurate at finding what you're looking for than Google. Google's first several pages of results are now prioritized by their ad revenue probability.

Of all the legislation that needs to be passed, we need a rule to ensure that Google Search (and it's ilk) is defined properly as what it is really is -- a directory. A phonebook should not be allowed to filter your query by its income-earning potential. Or, someone needs to start a searchable directory that runs like a phonebook and is public (Trudeau? Musk? Do you guys read this? I'm fairly certain Elon Musk used to be [or still is] an SFFWorld user, btw).

I miss the internet. I also miss the free time I used to have as a student, though, so it's possible the internet is still healthy -- just in some place the 40-year-old version of myself is no longer hip enough to access. But I did the whole dark web thing, tried mining bitcoin (what a pointless endeavour that was), and I'm pretty sure the true internet is simply vanishing because all of us old fogeys stopped maintaining it. Or we were herded out by the all fanboys and instagram users looking for a provided platform.

The news that Apple is looking to deploy technology that takes Apple devices onto an entirely separate internet structure from the main body of the internet's architecture is actually the best news I've heard in years. Hopefully now the digital ecosystems move off the internet proper, which may end their normalizing and centralizing functions that are subsuming the internet.

The entire nature of the internet is now to generate ad revenue and user data revenue -- period, the end. Even Google News and Apple News are little more than clickbait RSS feeds. AWS owns most of the internet's spine and flesh and profits off almost every move anyone makes online.

These are some good stats: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernar...wing-stats-everyone-should-read/#4503143e60ba

I was looking for an article (which, of course, I can't find, because ad revenue largely requires novel views, these days) that I had read before that showed how an AP news article, once published to the 6 major newspaper sites, is turned into an additional 2000 webpages of content within an hour by content copying bots. Headlines get modified to be more controversial. And the clickbait cycle goes on.

I miss Winamp. I miss ICQ (I was 3101074). I miss QuakeSpy. I miss mIRC. I miss 7zip. I miss the original torrent client. I miss pbem AD'n'D campaigns (2nd Edition -- the only one that matters). I miss ASCII graphics. I miss webzines. I miss the Weezer video on the Windows 95 CD. Hell, I miss CDs.

Really, I miss the innocence and the creativity. And more than that, I miss having a place where everyone was probably like me. I miss the geeks. The internet was a place unlike any other. This new things looks like the internet, but it's really just a shopping mall built for the popular kids.

(I'm sure someone about 10-15 years older than me thinks the things I am lamenting are the things that killed their internet. Sorry about that.)
 
@Fung Koo As you suggested, I did a search on Webcrawler, then clicked on the second page of results. When I wanted to navigate back to page 1 I was asked to show I am not a f*^*ing robot and select squares with crosswalks. Note that I am most definetly NOT behind a VPN.

1AeCwTr.png

Webcrawler? No thanks!
 
Webcrawler worked fine for me in Firefox but Tor just wasn't having it.

I was thinking about this yesterday and what I suspect I really miss about the old Internet was the idea that it was going to be a GOOD thing. I remember being excited and amazed that I could hold meaningful conversations with total strangers in different continents (well, ok, North America) and somehow, in my over optimistic utopian mindset, this was going to make national boundaries meaningless. People all over the world would find they had more in common than they thought possible and somehow an era of global peace and understanding was just around the corner....


Boy was I fucking wrong!
 

Sponsors


We try to keep the forum as free of ads as possible, please consider supporting SFFWorld on Patreon


Your ad here.
Back
Top