New Star Trek Series; you in or out?

I'm looking forward to having a new series to try out though I am mildly worried it will disappoint me even worse than Enterprise did.

Aside from a few episodes I tend to skip (and B'eanna's incessant, catty mood swings), I actually liked the Voyager series overall. I always thought of Janeway as the great "scientist" captain whereas Sisko was the warrior, Picard the diplomat, and Kirk the, well... space cowboy I suppose. But Archer? I don't even know. Poor Scott Bakula. It really wasn't his fault. Remember Quantum Leap? That was a fun show.

Deep Space Nine was definitely my favourite series overall though. It had some fantastic characters and the type of story that while it may not be groundbreaking, it also never fails to excite and entertain.

I'd imagine this new series isn't going to be like any of the others with the way media trends are going these days. I just hope whatever direction they take it that it's something I can get on board with. I did hear that instead of the captain being the lead role this time around, that honour would fall on the first officer. This confused me a little because I never really thought of the captains as the leads. Sure they are important, and certainly popular, but the entire bridge crew always had plenty of air time and even several of their very own episodes.
 
I'm looking forward to having a new series to try out though I am mildly worried it will disappoint me even worse than Enterprise did.

Aside from a few episodes I tend to skip (and B'eanna's incessant, catty mood swings), I actually liked the Voyager series overall. I always thought of Janeway as the great "scientist" captain whereas Sisko was the warrior, Picard the diplomat, and Kirk the, well... space cowboy I suppose. But Archer? I don't even know. Poor Scott Bakula. It really wasn't his fault. Remember Quantum Leap? That was a fun show.

Deep Space Nine was definitely my favourite series overall though. It had some fantastic characters and the type of story that while it may not be groundbreaking, it also never fails to excite and entertain.

I'd imagine this new series isn't going to be like any of the others with the way media trends are going these days. I just hope whatever direction they take it that it's something I can get on board with. I did hear that instead of the captain being the lead role this time around, that honour would fall on the first officer. This confused me a little because I never really thought of the captains as the leads. Sure they are important, and certainly popular, but the entire bridge crew always had plenty of air time and even several of their very own episodes.
I've been following this show's development very closely, and really think it's got the potential to be incredible. This isn't based on what's being said about it but what I'm reading the producers and writers saying about themselves. This might very well be the first Trek series written by lifelong Trek nerds, and the trailers make this look like they're veering hard away from the same-old, same-old.

Several things make me excited, because I've wanted Trek to do this for so long;

1. This series will be serialized, not episodic. There will be none of this "once the episode is over, everything is reset, back to normal, status quo remains so that we can move on to our next adventure." Back in the 80's this was expected. But even by the mid-90's, this kind of storytelling was starting to feel played out, and when it looked like a real arc was developing on DS9, I got excited (and of course, it was an arc, and well-done for the most part). Then Voyager decided to go ultra-episodic, hardly even mentioning past exploits even when they really should have.

2. This cast can be expected to grow and change. This cast was not molded to fit the archetypes of "the captain", "the first officer", "the science officer", "the engineer", you know, with everyone having roles to fill in the senior staff and rarely ever giving focus to lower-ranked crew members. In this first season, it actually sounds like most of the main players are junior officers, and one's even a cadet.

3. This season will not be 26 episodes long just because it's Star Trek and their seasons are (usually) 26 episodes long. It will be a mere 15 episodes, which means less padding.

4. I follow actors and learn their names, and what else they've done. It's pretty rare for a show to come out where I haven't heard of any actor who will be in it. Except Star Trek; Trek always seems to find actors who just can't get work anywhere else, and while there are some exceptions (LeVar Burton, Avery Brooks, Rene Auberjonois, Robert Picardo, Scott Bakula, John Billingsley), and while others become famous thanks to being on Star Trek (Patrick Stewart, Alexander Siddig, Colm Meaney, Kate Mulgrew), mostly Trek actors start off obscure and remain obscure, and some seem to leave the acting biz all together. This show will star Sonequa Martin-Greene, Doug Jones (Hellboy, Pan's Labyrinth), Anthony Rapp (Rent) and Jason Isaacs (the Harry Potter Franchise, Brotherhood) among others. There are actually only a couple of actors on this show I have never heard of.
 
1. This series will be serialized, not episodic.

I understand that a lot of people these days really enjoy how serialization keeps them on the edge of their seats all season long, but my personal tastes run toward a preference in stand alone episodes, (that's the perfect breeding ground for future nostalgia too,) so this is actually a bit of a bummer for me to hear.

Unfortunately however, I'm also not at all surprised. Everything is serializing these days... even silly things like South Park where each episode used to be it's own ridiculous joke, and each season was rife with them, now will just come up with one amusing theme, stretch it over 10 episodes, and call it day.

The skeptic in me is afraid that this particular trend is just another symptom of the same rampant corporate greed and "walmart-ization" sweeping across first world nations and filling homes with, essentially, crap that breaks. Afterall, it's easier (read: cheaper) for writers (or bean counters upstairs) to come up with one story and milk it, than for everyone to work overtime coming up with all sorts of interesting themes, anomalies, paradoxes, dilemmas, scientific wow factors, etc.

3. This season will not be 26 episodes long just because it's Star Trek and their seasons are (usually) 26 episodes long. It will be a mere 15 episodes, which means less padding.

Again, unfortunately, this makes me sad. I wish I was optimistic enough to hear this and think, "great, less filler." I just can't. If I'm being honest with myself, all my instincts are actually screaming "Look out! They are skimping on production costs but are still going to sell us the Blu Rays for the same standard fee."

It's all about protecting the bottom line. Movies, television, video games, electronics, fashion, cars, appliances, everything... the passion, the creativity and even the genius are slowly but surely all getting pushed out to make room better fourth quarter returns. I can't tell you how incredibly sad this makes me. I can only hope that small, independent or even crowd funded businesses and projects become the norm so that the people who are willing to pay for quality, actually have genuine quality options available to them.
 
I understand that a lot of people these days really enjoy how serialization keeps them on the edge of their seats all season long, but my personal tastes run toward a preference in stand alone episodes, (that's the perfect breeding ground for future nostalgia too,) so this is actually a bit of a bummer for me to hear.

Unfortunately however, I'm also not at all surprised. Everything is serializing these days... even silly things like South Park where each episode used to be it's own ridiculous joke, and each season was rife with them, now will just come up with one amusing theme, stretch it over 10 episodes, and call it day.

The skeptic in me is afraid that this particular trend is just another symptom of the same rampant corporate greed and "walmart-ization" sweeping across first world nations and filling homes with, essentially, crap that breaks. Afterall, it's easier (read: cheaper) for writers (or bean counters upstairs) to come up with one story and milk it, than for everyone to work overtime coming up with all sorts of interesting themes, anomalies, paradoxes, dilemmas, scientific wow factors, etc.



Again, unfortunately, this makes me sad. I wish I was optimistic enough to hear this and think, "great, less filler." I just can't. If I'm being honest with myself, all my instincts are actually screaming "Look out! They are skimping on production costs but are still going to sell us the Blu Rays for the same standard fee."

It's all about protecting the bottom line. Movies, television, video games, electronics, fashion, cars, appliances, everything... the passion, the creativity and even the genius are slowly but surely all getting pushed out to make room better fourth quarter returns. I can't tell you how incredibly sad this makes me. I can only hope that small, independent or even crowd funded businesses and projects become the norm so that the people who are willing to pay for quality, actually have genuine quality options available to them.
Looks like you and I could not be more different when it comes to what we want out of TV.

Personally, I am beyond tired of dramatic TV repeatedly resetting everything at the end of the hour. It's different on a sitcom, as we're basically just experiencing a slice of the characters' lives, and as it's mostly about making you laugh, having status quo remain isn't really a bad thing (though there are serialized comedies, as you point out).

For a dramatic series, especially if it's about people who work together, I expect it to build, to lead somewhere, not to be a meandering collection of one-hour adventures that wrap up neatly at the conclusion with no loose ends.

And this really isn't a recent trend. As early as the early 80's, shows like Hill Street Blues and St. Elsewhere were already moving away from this. They usually had a self-contained A-plot and a B-plot that would play out over several episodes. In the 90's, shows like ER and NYPD Blue did this on steroids, with every character having a plot that spread across multiple episodes, even if there was one plot element that was self-contained.

To me, watching a TV show that is nothing but one-hour TV movies with the same characters is like reading a collection of short stories. I prefer reading novels. Short stories are okay, but in small doses. I don't mind "breather" episodes, but I do mind when literally every episode is only concerned with keeping you engaged for that one hour. If you miss next week's episode, no problem, you can catch it in a rerun. It's not like it will have lasting consequences. You can be a casual viewer. You aren't expected to be invested. To me, a show that is formatted to only attract casual viewers isn't interested in quality. Characters remain flat, stories remain on repeat and an episode from season 5 might as well be from season 1.

Now, in the 60's, this was expected and even necessary. By the 80's, it was passe, and even TNG tried hard to buck the trend and make it so that at the very least, episodes had far-reaching consequences. And it cared about character development. DS9 went even further, with later seasons involving the Dominion arc. Voyager went in the opposite direction, assuming that the reason people liked TNG was because they liked the steady routine of "new episode, new adventure" and actually strove to avoid story arcs other than very short-term. In the process, beyond maybe the second season, they got rid of the idea of long-lasting consequences or revisitations of older plot threads. Promising recurring characters were either killed off entirely or just stopped appearing. Interesting characters were introduced and then never seen again. The main characters never grew beyond what they were initially designed to be, apart from the Doctor and that was all thanks to Picardo's performance. Enterprise was more of the same old, same old until Braga finally had enough of our complaining and said "Okay, you want an arc? Well season 3 will be one long arc, but it still won't be a birth of the Federation arc because I am determined to not give you what you're asking for!" Then Manny Coto took over the final season and gave us a series of mini-arcs that built on each other and were actually prequel material, which was great, but no one noticed because only a handful of fans were still watching, so the show was cancelled.

Personally, I say let's reach for the future. Let's expect viewers to be invested. Let's build on what's there rather than just resetting everything at the end of each hour.

As for shorter seasons; I'm sorry, I cannot agree here, either. Longer seasons means more filler. That's just always true. And if you're fine paying for filler, then that's okay, but I'd prefer 10-15 solid episodes rather than paying for half-crap and half-good.
 
The trailer does look interesting. I'm not entirely convinced yet, but we'll see how it turns out.

I can see the benefit of both episodic and serialised approaches, but I prefer the serialised style. I just hope that the episodes have some sense of individuality at the same time. For example, DS9 had It's Only a Paper Moon, which still deals with the dominion war, but focuses on Nog's emotional state after being wounded in battle. I think the overall plot of DS9 would remain the same if that episode hadn't existed, but it would lose one of the best episodes of the series.

I definitely don't want to see a reset button. I also don't want to see a return to being restricted to 'A plot and B plot' structure. (There's nothing wrong with using that style, I just don't want to see it being a fixed, essential thing for every episode.) Lastly...please don't go for the completely dark, gritty style. I want to see something lighter.
 
It strikes me that when Trek was stuck doing the same old, same old over and over again (the post-DS9 years with VOY and ENT), fans were getting more and more annoyed by how Trek seemed tired and spinning its wheels.

But now, here comes a series that seems to be something at least relatively new and taking a non-traditional approach and fans are whining that "it's not Star Trek anymore! Whaaaaa!"

Seriously, initial responses of "I suspect it will suck" were along the lines of "it's just gonna be another VOY/ENT and do the same thing over and over" but now those yelling about how bad it's going to be are incensed because it's NOT going to be what they're used to.
 
People are complaining that it's not Trek? I can understand people being nervous about it, considering how long Trek has been away from television (and the controversial reboot movies). There is also the way Fuller left the show. I just think the best thing to do is just wait and see how it turns out. Then we can actually evaluate it properly.
 
Actually, as someone who has enjoyed much of Star Trek in its various reiterations, I find, looking at the trailers, that I'm finding Seth McFarlaine's Galaxy Quest-style version, The Orville, much more appealing at the moment...
 
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Actually, as someone who has enjoyed much of Star Trek in its various reiterations, I find, looking at the trailers, that I'm finding Seth McFarlaine's Galaxy Quest-style version, The Orville, much more appealing at the moment...
I know everything is subjective, but I don't know how anyone can watch those awesome trailers and think so badly of them they'd prefer a parody.

The show may or may not be good, but if the trailers are anything to go by, this is gonna rock!
 
People are complaining that it's not Trek? I can understand people being nervous about it, considering how long Trek has been away from television (and the controversial reboot movies). There is also the way Fuller left the show. I just think the best thing to do is just wait and see how it turns out. Then we can actually evaluate it properly.
Yep. In almost every corner of the internet, some Trekker can be found lamenting that this new series "doesn't look or feel like Star Trek." As near as I can figure, this means it doesn't look like the Trek they watched when they were younger. It's exactly the sort of complaints The Next Generation got when people first got a look at it, but Trekkers just can't help themselves. They have a narrow-minded view of what Star Trek is and if it looks any different, it's wrong.

I guess they expected giant-ass monitors, computers that make tape-spooling noises when calculating (while flashing random lights), toggle switches that make "bloop" sounds, data padds the size of three-ring binders with diodes stuck on them that are less advanced than your average smart phone, info "tapes" that look like colored bathroom tiles that all information is stored on, etc.
 
I'll definitely give it a go. I'm in UK so it looks like it'll be on Netflix for me.
I do worry that the CGI might be too good and lose one of the endearing features of the exisiting series.
 
I'll definitely give it a go. I'm in UK so it looks like it'll be on Netflix for me.
I do worry that the CGI might be too good and lose one of the endearing features of the exisiting series.
The cheesiness of an older series is part of the nostalgia, but keeping the cheese in a modern production is a bad idea. Even Doctor Who has good special effects now.
 
I was more thinking about how so many things have gone the way of superb CGI and lost the simple human element that Star Trek did so well.
 
I was more thinking about how so many things have gone the way of superb CGI and lost the simple human element that Star Trek did so well.
There is that, but I trust these writers. They're fans. They're not hired because they were cheap or whatever. They're all nerding out on getting to create this series. And considering the main plot concerns the lead character's personal journey, I'd say the human element will be very present.
 
Actually, as someone who has enjoyed much of Star Trek in its various reiterations, I find, looking at the trailers, that I'm finding Seth McFarlaine's Galaxy Quest-style version, The Orville, much more appealing at the moment...
Just watched the first episode and it's good enough for me to hit the subscribe button...the visuals are very nice and it's the sort of humor I enjoy but the big question is how well they build the ensemble cast dynamic and if the humor stays engaging.
After a few more episodes I will know if it has the legs to keep its place on my DVR.
 
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I've only seen the first half or so, but I thought the humor in Orville was pretty bad. Maybe it is just McFarlane's delivery, I find him stiff and almost apologetic about saying stuff. Still, I give any sci-fi show a few eps as the pilot is usually not very representative of the actual show.
 
well I enjoyed the first half of the 2 part starter for this Star Treck but I don't think I will drop the $9 a month to watch the rest of it... the other stuff the access provides is not of interest... the rest of you get the new star trek with your Netflix sub so I will withe wait foe it to show up next year that way or wait for the box set dvd with 'extras' that is sure to appear in time.
It is the best TV series for CBS this year without a doubt but not worth the sub just for it to me.
 

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