New Star Trek Series; you in or out?

I keep hearing good things about the Orville and if I ever see it on Netflix or some other streaming service I will definitely give it a watch!

I finally watched The Orville because it was reduced to $9.99 on iTunes for Christmas. It's now my second-favorite Star Trek show after Kirk.

But it does feel a little like they started out making a Galaxy Quest-style parody and then slid into making a serious show with jokes as they went on.

I have to say, I'm far more interested in the second season of that than any official Star Trek show that comes out.
 
35 bucks for a tv show single season is a lot when a tentpole film with all the extras is $20 or less yes I know there are many more hours of 'entertainment' but perhaps waiting for the blu-ray's ti hit the remainder bin will be kinder to retirement sized budget

A good point. I just checked Amazon.com and they list a set of “Used-Like New” Season 1 Star Trek: Discovery DVDs for $16.99. So there are some ways to get it cheaper. A Blu-Ray is copy is still expensive at $30.59. The used prices will no doubt improve over time though.
 
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I just finished watching “The Wolf Within” and Holy Mother Horta they have done it. They have found their Trek. This is not only good for Discovery, but these last couple of episodes are some great Trek overall. I want to gush about them, but that would involve too many spoilers. There are a lot of plot threads that are now making sense.
 
I am enjoying Season 2. The addition of "Captain Pike" is great and is bringing an old-school vibe to this new setting.
 
Only seen the first episode for Season 2 so far, but definitely a shift to more cohesion and more Trek-like. The actors are comfortable with their characters now, we got more bridge crew featuring, etc. I'm not thrilled with having Pike, but they seem to be working it in well.
 
Why are you not happy about Pike in it, Kat?
I'm ok with the series, but it doesn't get me excited like Trek should. There are some clever and intelligent things in it, it's not a show that should be watched lightly, while on the phone or something. You have to keep your eyes and ears open for the effects and details.
As someone said, the Klingon speech is a bit annoying. I don't know why they made them look so different. They also should be using the classic uniforms. I could accept Discovery having different uniforms for some reason, but why would the officer at the penal colony have their uniform? Everyone everywhere in the Federation that Kirk talked to always had the classic uniform. It doesn't make sense! It's annoying and makes me unable to fit this series into the real Trek universe. I have to think of it as a sort of fake trek that's fun to watch, then it's ok. I won't be rushing out to get the bluerays.
 
It's annoying and makes me unable to fit this series into the real Trek universe. I have to think of it as a sort of fake trek that's fun to watch, then it's ok.

I see it as alternate, rather than something that fits with the rest of Trek. Like the new movies.

I had got the impression that the Klingons were busy this season, which I thought was a good thing.
I was wrong!
Not sure whether to see that as a good thing or a bad thing, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
 
Why are you not happy about Pike in it, Kat?

I don't really have the need for nostalgia throw-ins that they seem to think are necessary to get people to watch a prequel Trek show. I'm not particularly interested in Pike, Spock, Sarek, etc. showing up, though it doesn't horribly bother me either. Mudd is a bit more fun but them trying to shove the classic Trek stuff into the show at random intervals I find contributes to the overall uneveness of the show. (Though they have new show runners and such this season 2 so there may be less uneveness going forward -- we're kind of behind watching at my house as we've been playing catch-up with multiple shows.) I also think that it is 2019 and we don't need Discovery to have another noble jawed white guy captain again. They could have just kept Saru captain. (Of course Saru mutinied at one point, but in this show this is apparently not an issue.)

As someone said, the Klingon speech is a bit annoying. I don't know why they made them look so different.

There are rights issues between Universal and CBS regarding design trademarks that require various details to look at least partly different from previous versions. The Klingons were already something of a mess, since their appearance radically changed between Classic Trek and TNG decades later, but an explanation was made for this in the larger Trek canon as experimentation that the Klingons did as a disguise, an idea that Discovery then borrowed for its show. Plus show special effects people tend to like to play around with the designs. In Discovery, they tried to come up with a design that was in the neighborhood of the TNG onward Klingons but different.

However, that new design was not well received. Since Klingons are often identified symbolically with black people, with a number of prominent black actors playing some Klingon roles such as Worf, that the Klingons now looked more monstrous and acted more brutishly and serpent-like, as well as the idea that an albino was an outcast for his color among dark skinned Klingons -- that all didn't play well with a lot of people. Others thought that the Klingons were being made to represent Trump supporters and making them look monstrous, etc. And for some reason, the Klingons spoke Klingon really, really slowly, even though they were using subtitles. So in Season 2 of Discovery, the Klingons are further revamped, with the idea that different houses of Klingons have somewhat different appearances. So it's still a mess. :)

They also should be using the classic uniforms. I could accept Discovery having different uniforms for some reason, but why would the officer at the penal colony have their uniform? Everyone everywhere in the Federation that Kirk talked to always had the classic uniform. It doesn't make sense!

Again, there were trademark issues on having the exact same look, plus the mini-skirts on the Classic Trek uniforms for women were problematic in the current era. Discovery takes place at least a decade before the Classic Trek era, so the idea they came up with was that the Enterprise, a new important ship, was sent out on a long range exploratory mission before the war with the Klingons began and they had the new uniforms upon their launch -- which are the Classic Trek color coded uniforms with some modifications. The Enterprise was ordered to stay away and maintain communications silence during the war. With the Federation being at war, they did not have time to give everyone else the new uniforms like on the Enterprise and stayed in the old ones, as did the crew of the Discovery, which was a new, secret ship until taking lead point in the war, and as such the Discovery crew was not issued the new uniforms either. With the war ended, eventually everyone will get the new uniforms, which are the modified version of the Classic Trek uniforms, but that hasn't happened yet.

That allowed them to make some jokes on the show about the "new" uniforms that the Enterprise has that no one else has yet. And it also provides issues for the two crews -- the Enterprise crew feels guilty and unhappy that they sat out the war and were cut off. The Discovery crew is envious and a bit disdainful of the Enterprise's shiny newness and lack of trauma. So I thought that one worked okay, as militaries do frequently revamp their uniforms. Otherwise, Discovery as a show often doesn't really properly match the timeline it's being a prequel of. I personally just view Discovery as happening in another alternate timeline, like the current Trek movies -- similar events but things are somewhat different. In Discovery's alternate timeline, Spock did not have a brother and had a human foster sister, etc. And the Klingons evolved to look different than in the original Trek timeline. Given all the Mirror universe stuff on the show, it seems appropriate.

Overall, Discovery is okay, finding its sea legs like all the Trek shows. But I'd really love some new Trek shows that use the world of Trek consistently, but aren't draped in nostalgia of the past shows. I have less interest in prequels than moving forward. I thought the idea of a Star Fleet Academy show had some promise and they are apparently still developing one. I love Patrick Stewart but I'm not really interested in an old man Picard show. And Michelle Yeoh was/is terrific, but I can't get that excited for another prequel show about her character either.
 
Yes, Hobbit, it should be in an alternate universe. Too bad that’s not the official story.

I also think that it is 2019 and we don't need Discovery to have another noble jawed white guy captain again.

I agree, Suru could have been an interesting Captain. However, seeing as they chose to put Pike in, I plan to enjoy him. Yes, in this day the writers are trying to reflect (or influence) racial attitudes but I don’t think that means we should never have a handsome white dude anymore! That would be like discriminating against them instead. My SF future vision has a lot of racial mixing so that the physical look of humans has become more uniform and hence there is much less reason to even think about what race someone is. It’s happening already, at least in large Canadian cities, so I don’t think it’s realistic that in the days of the Treks there are still so many humans looking like one particular race.

Re putting in nostalgia connections:

I crave more pure, original classic Trek with Kirk, Spock and McCoy at the center (though I love how the reboots have pumped up Uhuru and others). My first choice would have been a series with replacement actors/some GG to continue their adventures. Since they’re not doing that, my second choice would have been (Like Kat) to choose a time beyond VOY and set up an interesting set of new characters and scenarios. What we have now leaves me craving the “real” trek because we’re so close to it, they’re there but we don’t get to see what they’re doing. Part of the appeal of TOS was the comic-style heroism the trio brought. Working together with intense loyalty, they accomplished impossible things, the likes of which we haven’t seen since. Going beyond the time of VOY is the only way that kind of atmosphere can be brought again unless they use Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. If they’re showing us adventures set in the time we already know, they can’t bring us the larger-than-life amazing heroism we got with TOS because we would have heard about it. We need to move beyond and set up fresh new amazing heroes. That way they can be allowed to be as great as the original ones without ruining the history or diminishing the TOS heroes by retroactively trying to say that there were others doing things just as amazing that we never heard about.

Yes, I was dismayed with Trek was split between companies. It has made a mess! That’s the disadvantage of dealing with big corporations whose primary concern is making money- and not just one, but two, who’s priority is not to make sure everything meshes together properly. For that reason I’ve stepped back from Trek somewhat, but I’m not going to not watch it.
 
Turns out the Yeoh show isn't a prequel but instead a black ops with her Mirror Empire ex-empress character and Ash. Which doesn't interest me, though I wish them well. But it's very much not a forward direction and so not for me.

Wendy Gamble said:
I agree, Suru could have been an interesting Captain. However, seeing as they chose to put Pike in, I plan to enjoy him. Yes, in this day the writers are trying to reflect (or influence) racial attitudes but I don’t think that means we should never have a handsome white dude anymore! That would be like discriminating against them instead. My SF future vision has a lot of racial mixing so that the physical look of humans has become more uniform and hence there is much less reason to even think about what race someone is. It’s happening already, at least in large Canadian cities, so I don’t think it’s realistic that in the days of the Treks there are still so many humans looking like one particular race.

No it is not discriminating against white actors. It's eliminating the discrimination that has made 95% of Star Trek captains white people and mostly white guys by not doing that for awhile until you have non-discriminatory parity. Discrimination that exists because it supposedly reassures white people to see a white guy almost always in charge, which is a bias that I am perfectly fine with seeing gone. Multi-racial unfortunately doesn't get rid of racial discrimination and will not for a very long time. But what does is people getting used to regularly seeing a non-white person in charge. Whereas Trek Discovery ran right back into the safety of having a familiar white guy character as captain. After they killed off their Asian female captain, one of only two major non-white captains in Trek, the other being Sisko.

So now they've resurrected Yeoh as her evil empire alter as a spy terrorist for the government. And they can't even put her in charge of that -- there's a white guy she answers to on that new show. So Trek still has a very long way to go to realize Rodenberry's fuller vision. It's not a deal-breaker (if I did that, I'd have very few shows to watch sadly,) but it's still annoying. Especially as they are now writing Pike as more and more obnoxious white guy with little concern for Discovery's crew, throwing Stamets into the spore drive despite that being dangerous, insisting that Discovery abandon 11,000 humans as if they are an alien species because he doesn't want to deal with them while chasing nonsensical mystical messages, etc. It's not the actor's fault, it's the writing, but I am so far finding the show more even structurally than it was in Season 1, but the new characters and the new mystery McGuffin aliens are not really fascinating. But that's just me.

Also, I am less than thrilled that Spock is accused of murdering doctors because we already did that plot with Michael in Season 1.

We're going to keep watching for now because I like the actors, it's the only Trek around, etc. but it is frustrating. Sometimes they just hit it perfectly and it's fun, and other times it's just all over the place. But then that was often a problem with the Trek shows in the past, including the original show. At least we're getting more of the crew characters in Discovery.
 
Multi-racial unfortunately doesn't get rid of racial discrimination and will not for a very long time. But what does is people getting used to regularly seeing a non-white person in charge.
I agree it will take a long time. Short term solutions need to be found, preferably ones that don't cause unfairness to individuals for the sake of society as a whole. I have no great short term suggestions. For example, in Swat, Shemar's character is awesome as the SWAT leader, but I also feel bad for the older, more senior white guy who was passed over purely for racial reasons. Fixing the problem that way for the good of society as a whole will (does) cause anger and mass shootings and such. People won't lose their racial bias against non-whites if they're angry.

Re eithnic in power, I've noticed a little trick the TV writiers are using and I'm not sure if it works or not. They make the boss ethnic, and often female, too, but the thing is, they don't actually get much air time compared to their underling, the real (standard) hero. If it's too transparent that they're saying "here, we put a (minority) in power at the top, aren't we good?" -yet still having the show be about the white beauties, it could backfire. ie Castle, Bones...




So now they've resurrected Yeoh as her evil empire alter as a spy terrorist for the government. And they can't even put her in charge of that -- there's a white guy she answers to on that new show.
Well, that could work fine if she's the one getting the air time and doing the heroic or important/evil things. I'm not sure about that show either. I"ll try it.

I'll have to watch the Disc eps when I can pay attention and think about Pikes actions. I'm assuming Spock didn't do it or there was a very very good reason. I didn't like them giving Suru a repeat of a situation Spock had in TOS.
I'll keep watching.
 
This is just a side anecdote but when the new Star Trek started shooting, does anyone recall a photo of the new Klingons in full costume and latex facial prosthetics going viral? I was working on the set a week after the guy who took the photo and put it up in Instagram was notified he was being sued by CBS, fired from ACTRA (the Canadian actor's union) and would never work in the industry again. Poor guy, major brainfart seeing as we had to sign NDA's from the get-go but still, poor guy. I guess the Trekkie in him was stronger than common sense.
 
sued by CBS, fired from ACTRA (the Canadian actor's union) and would never work in the industry again. Poor guy, major brainfart seeing as we had to sign NDA's from the get-go but still, poor guy. I guess the Trekkie in him was stronger than common sense.
Severe consequences, all right, but, yes, predictable. I hope the guy's ok. Are you still working on the show?
 
No, that was actually two years ago. Don't know what happened to the guy but for sure if he was an aspiring actor, his career is over.
 
Season 2 is far superior to the first season, which wasn't terrible but it did have some problems finding a consistent tone. It's become quite good now, and there's a solid explanation for the inconsistencies:

So the Red Angel went back in time and changed the Prime Timeline slightly by saving Burnham. Without its intervention, she would have died on Vulcan and this is why Spock never mentioned her in the original series or films: from his POV, she was a waif his father took in for a few weeks 25+ years earlier and then stopped being part of his life, having thoroughly insulted him first. Without Burnham, the war with the Klingons would have either not happened or been rather different, and Discovery would have been destroyed on several occasions, meaning the spore drive never became a thing.

It now appears that Discovery is operating in a slightly modified timeline, rather than a parallel universe: Yesterday's Enterprise rather than the Abrams 09 movie.[/quote]
 

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