Recommendations

I'm going to throw Mars and Return to Mars by Ben Bova out here. Two books that I really loved.
 
Ok this my first post on these forums, so...hi everyone :)

Lots of great books have been mentioned but I think there are a few great oens that havn't been:

Last and First Men - Olaf Stapleton. In my opinion, One of the greatist Science Fiction books of all time. Its not so much a story as the story of gumanity. It was written in the 1930s so most of the "future history" of the near future is wrong but after that it just explodes with hugely original and interesting ideas. I havn't read Star Maker (Stapleton's only other major work) yet but as soon as I've finished Red Mars I will.

The City And the Stars - Arthur C. Clarke. My favoraite Clarke novel, I'm not really sure why, it just really struck a chord in me, not that easy to get hold of these days though as it was written in the 1950s.

A few others:

The Martian Chronicals - Ray Bradbury.

Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut. infact anything by Vonnegut is great (Sirens of Titan, and of course, Slaughterhouse 5 in particular are excelent.)

High-Rise - J.G. Ballard.

Chasm City - Alaister Reynolds. A pretty new writer but he writes awsome hard sci fi, Revelation Space is also extremely good.

Oh, and the 5 volume collected stories of Phillip K Dick is brilliant as well.
 
Welcome, Jo!

Lots of good choices there, from the contemporary to the not so!

Always pleased to see some AC Clarke (a big fan of Stapleton, who is a major influence!). It has been reprinted a bit here in the UK - most recently as part of the Millennium Classic Sf Series. For comparison, have you tried the novella version?

JG Ballard's always a bit contentious :)

A few recent fans of Reynolds round here (including me!).

Have you tried Iain M Banks and Peter F Hamilton? If not also worth a try.

Hobbit
 
I have all of Bank's Sci Fi and a couple of his strait fiction ones and I like them all alot, but the reason why I never put any of them forward as a recommendation sit hat I never know which one to recommend - I like them all so much!

I havn't read any Peter F Hamilton basically because none of them have turned up in any of my local second hand bookshops (being a poor student I have to get all my books from second hand or discount bookshops!) but as soon as they do I'll get them, infact if I get myself a job this summer I'll probably "splash out" and buy something new for once :)
 
this is my fist post as well so here goes
What about the Gap Series by Stephen Donaldson, I know that many of you wouldnt read him because of his fantasy links but hey this is a great series!
And Neuromancer by william gibson is a classic too, Ender as well and the first in the Foundation series by Assimov too.
 
I have read "The Real Story", the first book in Donaldson's Gap series and I have to say I was not impressed, my Dad swears by his fantasy stuff (and my Dad dosn't even like Fantasy or Sci FI for that matter) so I assume he is capable of good writing, does the series get better?
 
yeah it starts off a bit slow and can be a bit too intense for some people but if you have the stomach for reality then the series will be great.
donaldson also has a couple of short story book, Reave the Just and Daughter of Regals. there a couple of good old school sf shorts in there like Mythological Creature as well as some great fantasy like the Djinn who looks over the accursed.
 
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I didn't realy have a problem with the "reality" of it, It just came across as not only space opera (which I quite like every no and then) but BAD space opera. Just wasn't a great story in my opinion, maybe I'll try the second book if I can pick it up cheap somewhere (I have to pick up all my books cheap)
 
Originally posted by trentdick2882
I actually think I enjoyed We by Zamyatin more than 1984, has anyone read that?

Yes I have. I also liked it better.
 
Here are my 'Best SF' books, in no particular order.

1. Halfway Human, Carolyn Ives Gilman
2. He, She, and It, Marge Piercy
3.The Gate to Woman's Country, Sheri Tepper
4. The Faded Sun Trilogy (omnibus), CJ Cherryh
5. The Foreigner Trilogy (First trilogy 1-3), CJ Cherryh
6. The Chanur Saga (1-4), CJ Cherryh
7. Cuckoo's Egg, CJ Cherryh
8. Lilith's Brood (Omnibus Xenogensis Trilogy), Octavia Butler
9. The Handmaid's Tale, Margaret Atwood
10. Dhalgren, Samuel R. Delany
11. Stranger in a Strange Land, Robert Heinlein
12. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Robert Heinlein
13. Ringworld, Larry Niven
14. Clipjoint, Crashcourse, Psykosis, (no series name) Wilhelmina Baird
15. Memory (#9 Miles Vorkosigan) Lois McMaster Bujold
16. Lest Darkness Fall, L. Sprague De Camp
17. Becoming Human, Testament, Imposter, Valerie Freireich
18. Flesh and Gold, Phyliss Gotlieb
19. Dune Series (1-3), Frank Herbert
20. Noir, K.W. Jeter
21. Aleutian Trilogy, Gwyneth Jones
22. Warchild, Karin Lowachee
23. Sardonyx Net, Elizabeth Lynn
24. Windhaven, George R.R. Martin & Lisa Tuttle
25. Sandkings, George R.R. Martin
26. Jurisdiction Series, Susan R. Matthews
27. Perdido Street Station, China Mieville
28. Salt, Adam Roberts
29. The Sparrow, Mary Doria Russell
30. The Lensman Series, E.E. 'Doc' Smith
31. In The Drift, Michael Swanwick
32. Red Genesis, S.C. Sykes
33. Snow Queen & Summer Queen, Joan D. Vinge
34. Starfish, Peter Watts
35. To Say Nothing of The Dog, Connie Willis
36. Dooms Day Book, Connie Willis
37. We, Yevgeny Zamyatin
38. Seafort Saga, David Feintuch
 
Originally posted by trentdick2882
No Philip K. Dick?! :D

What a loaded question: Do I like Dick :)

Honestly I don't care for PKD. I have read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, and Ubik. DADoES was one of the few books where the movie was actually better than the book. The book seemed more like an outline than an actual completed work.

Ubik was more fleshed out, but was very dated, and more psychedelic than I was. Perhaps a few decades earlier I would have matched terminal velocity with the book, but not now.

I know PKD influenced a lot of the writers I like, and their styles, but I just don't enjoy him directly.

I tend to prefer meaty stories with depth to them regarding characters both externally and internally. I am not real fond of Asimov, or Clarke or PKD, or others who are what I call writers with a spare style.
 
What did you like about Salt, FicusFan?
I am considering buying it would like an opinion.
 
Originally posted by chocky
What did you like about Salt, FicusFan?
I am considering buying it would like an opinion.

I have to say first off that the writing style is very staid, and almost reminded me of 19th century in terms of stiffness. It is his first SF book.

What I liked was that the story is told by two main characters for most of the book. They alternate chapters and they are both 'unreliable narrators'. Which means that you can't trust or believe what they say, the way you can in a normal book. The reason is that each tells a part of the story from his own POV and often it is the same incident, and both can't be right ! Sometimes they lie to you, and sometimes they lie to themselves too. As the reader or the neutral party you can see where they went wrong, but you can also sometimes see the rightness of each side as well.

It makes you think about perception and reality, and how much your agenda is loaded into what you see as the truth. It also deal with preconcieved notions and prejudice and how they destroy any attempt at communication.

The story is about this group of religious (very little actual religion is in the story) pilgrims who are going to colonize a far-away planet. There are 5 or 6 space ships that are hooked onto a comet to power them along. They sleep for most of the journey. The captain of the most rigid and heriarchical ship is one narrator. The other narrator is the Engineer who can operate the comet hook, he is on a space ship of anarchists. They lied about having a religious orientation to get into the fleet. They completely reject any form of government.

The conflict is that the planet which from afar seemed fine, is really made of Salt, and so air and water and arable land are a problem. Because of their totally opposite viewpoints they are unable to cooperate. The personal interaction between the two crews during the flight also lead to disasterous consequences.


The Rigid society builds a cult of personality, and the anarchists act only for the individual.

It is a story of extremes. There are parts that show each leader and lifestyle in both good and bad lights, so you can't really just pick the one you feel is right or that you like the most.

It was a very thought provoking and interesting book. It made me think about it long after I finished it. I was also reading it during the height of the Isrealli/Palestinian crises and it seemed in many ways to mirror their conflict - thought the details are not exactly the same.

It is Adam Roberts best book so far. He has written Salt, On, Stone which I have read. Jupiter Magnified a novella, and Polystom his latest novel, which I have, but have not yet read.

Your id doesn't say where you are, so I don't know if you will have to pay more for the book (US) or not. You might want to test read before taking it home, if you can. Good luck and enjoy.
 
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The conflict is that the planet which from afar seemed fine, is really made of Salt, and so air and water and arable land are a problem. Because of their totally opposite viewpoints they are unable to cooperate.

This is what I didn't like about Salt. It seemed absurd that two completely polar opposite groups would be placed on the same planet. It also seemed so rigid in its approach that it was unrealistic. In an all out war, even anarchists work together, but not in Salt.

Yet, the book was good enough to finish. I would say it is a worthwhile book to read.

Kamakhya
 
Originally posted by Kamakhya


This is what I didn't like about Salt. It seemed absurd that two completely polar opposite groups would be placed on the same planet. It also seemed so rigid in its approach that it was unrealistic. In an all out war, even anarchists work together, but not in Salt.

Yet, the book was good enough to finish. I would say it is a worthwhile book to read.

Kamakhya

The two groups ended up on the same planet because there was only one planet, so there was no way to spread them out, and because the anarchists lied to get into the exodus.

But you do raise a point that has always bothered me. AR never explains why these groups are going out to colonize - is it a religious duty, or a bid for a better life, fleeing from a dying earth.

It was rigid, and extreme, but ideologies in conflict are often that way. Try to get the Gang of Four in DC to see the merits of Iran, or Syria or some other Axis of Evil country.

In terms of working together during war, I would suggest that many of those who lose do so because they are unable to present a united front to the enemy. Divide and Conquer is an age old practice, and for the other side a danger. Just look at the conflicts in Africa, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia -- all places where we think they are the same and should unite, and yet they will not.
 

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