So how are y'all preparing for the Apocalypse?

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My points were addressing the faulty idea that if it did actually happen, it wouldn't be so bad. Not, if it will happen at all.
I'm not saying that everything would be fine with only large cities destroyed. Ecology would be hurt permanently and there would be a lot of long-term consequences lasting for hundreds and maybe even thousands of years. But still Nuclear Winter is a theory and highly debatable. Luckily, we will never know whether it was overrated or not. If Kuwait fires was prevented every media would be still clinging to the Apocalypse scenario and saying that world was saved with Kuwait oil fields.

And I highly recommend you to read some actual military plans for Nuclear War. People who made them were self-aware and wasn’t fooling themselves. All you described was actually mentioned and discussed at length in those plans.

In America, it was especially anti-European war.
I agree. USA neutrality probably was more critical for the sucess of Nazi rearmament. But Chamberlain would still be the one to draw fire because of his speeches.
 
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You have to understand the context of the times.
That is true of so much... take this song from the hight of the cold war
how many teenagers today would be affected the same way that a teen of the late 60s would react to it... yet it affects me the same way after a half a century... (
by Tom Lehrer is another example from the 60s and of course this one
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Trump's latest tweet:
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Right. :rolleyes: In four years time The Donald will face the dictator's dilemma: At how many percentage points above 95 to rig the elections.
 
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Given the backward and ignorant scientific, religious and medical opinions espoused by Trump and many of his 'picks', I am rather hoping that America will regress to a tribal hunter/gatherer society before they can do too much damage to the rest of the world. Fingers crossed someone carries out a controlled shutdown of all the nuclear power stations before the knowledge is lost. :D

In reality I'm hoping for the presence of enough intelligent people in functional government to counterbalance the children in nominal command.

I'm an archer. No need for firearms but I might stock up on some robust hunting arrows. :D
 
by James Fallows:

Most people would hesitate before telling easily disprovable lies like these, much as shoplifters would hesitate if the store owner is looking at them. Most people are fazed if caught in an outright lie. But in these cases and others, Trump never blinked. As part of his indispensable campaign coverage this summer, David Fahrenthold (and Robert O’Harrow) of The Washington Post offered an astonishing documentation of Trump being caught in a long string of business-related lies and simply not caring.

The news media are not built for someone like this.

Our journalistic and political assumption is that each side to a debate will “try” to tell the truth — and will count it as a setback if they’re caught making things up. Until now the idea has been that if you can show a contrast between words and actions, claim and reality, it may not bring the politician down, but it will hurt. For instance: Bill Clinton survived “I did not have sexual relations with that woman,” but he was damaged then, and lastingly, when the truth came out. To close the loop, knowledge of the risks of being caught has encouraged most politicians to minimize provable lies.

None of this works with Donald Trump. He doesn’t care, and at least so far the institutional GOP hasn’t either.

How can the press gird for action? Here are three early indications from the news.

A very good read, including this note from one of Fallows’s readers, on dealing with a narcissist:

The Times got in trouble by trying to make sense of his words. It’s an easy mistake for people in a word-saturated medium to make, but anyone who’s dealt with a narcissist knows you never, ever believe what they say — because they will say whatever the person they are talking to wants to hear. DT is a master at phrasing things vaguely enough that multiple listeners will be able to hear exactly what they want. It isn’t word salad; it’s overt deception, which is much more pernicious.

But the Times fell for it. I’m watching the same mistake get made over and over again, but I don’t know how to help journalists get out of the trap. If we are going to survive the days ahead, someone needs to teach reporters the difference between naming narcissism vs. dealing effectively with a narcissist.

Case in point, The New York Times staff seemed buoyed by Trump’s claim during his interview that he would keep “an open mind” about “pulling out of the Paris climate agreement.” It was bullshit. He was simply telling The Times staff what they wanted to hear.
 
I thought I'd poke my head back in and say that, while I'm pretty sure that the Trump presidency will deserve the sentiments of terror that many of us feel towards it, I also understand the reasons that many of those who voted for him did so. There are a lot of desperate people, living in poverty, in the rust belt states. They've been losing their jobs, they've been losing their homes, etc., and mainstream politicians don't really seem to have done much for them in the past 20 years so they're tired of it. A mayor from Pennsylvania, I believe, while on NPR, said that, if ISIS arrived at their town, they'd just drive on past, because they'd think someone already bombed it. I also heard a retired coal miner on NPR today, who seemed convinced that Trump was gonna bring back the coal industry, and people were asking him how to get into it, because they also think it's coming back. Said he gives Trump 10 months to cause this change, or else 4 years later, he's gonna have to look into someone else, heh. I think they're naive to think that Trump will actually deliver on his promises to them, but I hated Clinton, too, and I definitely understand why they didn't want her.

I think Bill Burr's take on the whole thing is the best. (He's like a few minutes in.)
 
I was rereading Prof Bob Hare's first book on psychopaths, Without Conscience, where he talked about gathering the field research that led to his now-standard checklist for diagnosing psychopathy. He had teams of graduate students -- people with Bachelor's and Master's degrees in psychology -- interviewing psychopaths in prison. But though these educated professionals knew exactly what they were dealing with, they would still sometimes get caught up in a psychopath's net of words and begin to believe in the tale.

The thing that con men have in abundance is confidence. A psychopath entirely believes what he's saying as he says it, even if he contradicts himself a moment later. We respond to that confidence at a level that predates language -- it's ape to ape -- and rationality is overwhelmed.

Interesting times ahead. As I keep pointing out, we are now well off the map. Anything can happen.
 
To summarize:
1) USA spend $598 billion over military budget and spend millions over cybersecurity.
2) Democrats Say Western Sanctions Have Left Russia's Economy 'In Tatters' and it's basically an outdated backwater "giant filling station"
3) Democrats Say that Russia is a regional power showing weakness
4) A year later Democrats claim that “weak regional power with economy in tatters with techonological level of giant filling station” can now have major influence over elections in greatest world economy by outsmarting CIA.

I can see that new Cold War is truly begun and logic was its first victim. Next time it won’t be all-powerful Russian Hackers. It will be Kim Jong-Un himself or Rodrigo Duterte.

P.S. To be clear: I don't claim that Russians couldn't hack those emails (especially if Hillary used her personal mailbox to storage top-secret data). I'm saying that Hillary and her supporters don't make any sense.
 
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I believe treason still caries the death penalty in the USA. Instead power will be handed over to Trump and his team come January.
 
They have not offered any actual proof that Russia did this. Unnamed members of the CIA supposedly claim Russia did this, and the CIA also said there were WMDs in Iraq. We were also lied to about the NSA's existence.

I'm not for Trump, but I'm against deflecting and obfuscating responsibility for one's own actions. Who wrote those e-mails? Nobody says those e-mails are fake. Both the Republicans AND Democrats screwed us this year.

I'm also not fond of the line of discussion they're taking with "fake news." "Fake news" being anything that isn't coming from the establishment. Also also, I don't want another Cold War just because the political elite can't own up to their own lies and deceit. Call me crazy, but yeah.
 
Putin's Russia has declared war on western democracy some time ago. That much is clear, I think. His trolls and admirers are gloating over their great leader's coup.
 
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If Putin can manipulate USA into electing his very own candidate to be president – there will be no new Cold War. Putin will just assume the role of Emperor of mankind.

Seriously, it’s getting ridiculous when people claim Putin has his hand in everything. If you pay attention to news from Russia you will find out he can't even assume full control over his own political party.
 
"Fake news" being anything that isn't coming from the establishment.

No. Some fake news, no quotes, is bogus stories manufactured in order to generate Facebook clicks that translate into ad revenues. The tale of the Macedonian teenagers is genuine news.

They have not offered any actual proof that Russia did this.

Laying out the evidence tells the hackers where they went wrong and lets them hack more covertly in the future. Intelligence operations have to be kept shadowy or you're just giving advantage to the other side.
 
Laying out the evidence tells the hackers where they went wrong and lets them hack more covertly in the future. Intelligence operations have to be kept shadowy or you're just giving advantage to the other side.

I lol’d it when during debates Hillary claimed that leaks concerning major operations against ISIS in Iraq, Lybia and Syria were made on purpose to “warn civilians”. Yeah, it’s like common people in those countries have internet to read news in English and have means of transportation to leave their homes and travel across desert to get out of cities marked as targets for US airstrikes.

I’m not a Trump supporter obviously. But that was just plain stupid.
 
No. Some fake news, no quotes, is bogus stories manufactured in order to generate Facebook clicks that translate into ad revenues. The tale of the Macedonian teenagers is genuine news.
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Yes, and then some other "fake news" is Counterpunch, Truthout, and The Intercept. Y'know, legit news sites that don't just parrot what WaPo, NYT and CNN say. I'm not sure if The Young Turks were also accused of it, but I wouldn't be surprised.
 
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