The Red Wolf Conspiracy by Robert VS Redick: the one to watch in 2008?
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LOL, please, please, stop giving me this much amunition. Most recently, you gave me Patrick Rothfuss, Brian Ruckley and Scott Lynch -- among dozens of others -- to show that the rigaramole about stereotypes is inconsistently and hypocritically applied, and really doesn't matter to all of you at all, now you give me another one here. I mean, this is getting silly. Why don't you just stop worrying about it?
Not a lot of info here besides the declaration that it's stereotypical but you love it anyway -- large kingdoms, conflict, ships, little crawly creatures, an Admiral's daughter instead of a princess, vague mention of a conspiracy. How about a spoiler box of some sort? Or at least a little more info on the main characters.
Not a lot of info here besides the declaration that it's stereotypical but you love it anyway -- large kingdoms, conflict, ships, little crawly creatures, an Admiral's daughter instead of a princess, vague mention of a conspiracy. How about a spoiler box of some sort? Or at least a little more info on the main characters.
I have also read about this new series coming next year. The story sounds interesting but you can say most stories have potential, in the end it's all about the execution.
I do have the impression that Gollancz is going to promote this book quite heavily in the hope it's the next Mieville, Scott Lynch, Patrick Rothfuss etc... I must confess that in general Gollancz is my favorite British SF/Fantasy imprint. I like most of their books, more so than Orbit who publish both quality and a lot of mediocre stuff. So we'll have to wait and see about this new one.
I do have the impression that Gollancz is going to promote this book quite heavily in the hope it's the next Mieville, Scott Lynch, Patrick Rothfuss etc... I must confess that in general Gollancz is my favorite British SF/Fantasy imprint. I like most of their books, more so than Orbit who publish both quality and a lot of mediocre stuff. So we'll have to wait and see about this new one.
Here's my review:
Looking back, 2007 was a pretty good year for speculative fiction debuts. I mean you had Patrick Rothfuss’ “The Name of the Wind”, Mark J. Ferrari’s “The Book of Joby”, Wayne Barlowe’s “God’s Demon”, Jeffrey Overstreet’s “Auralia’s Colors”, Alex Bledsoe’s “The Sword-Edged Blonde”, Matthew Jarpe’s “Radio Freefall”, the American release of Joe Abercrombie’s “The Blade Itself”, and—even though they’re not technically debuts—you could also throw in David Anthony Durham’s “Acacia” and Stephen Hunt’s “The Court of the Air”. Like I said, pretty impressive and I didn’t even list all of the titles that I could have, which makes you wonder just how in the world 2008 is going to be able to surpass or even duplicate last year’s success. Obviously it’s way too early to be talking about such comparisons, but at least the New Year is off to a strong start with a number of striking debuts already including Felix Gilman’s “Thunderer” (was actually published at the end of 2007, but I’m counting it as a 2008 release
, Philip Palmer’s “Debatable Space” and Robert V.S. Redick’s “The Red Wolf Conspiracy”. Of the three, “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” has received the most advance publicity and for good reason—the book is a potential bestseller.
So what defines a bestseller? Well, the number of copies sold is definitely one measuring stick, as is a book’s level of popularity, but for a debut novel to achieve any plateau of success hype, visibility and advertising are all important factors. Of the latter, Mr. Redick has already benefited from a strong marketing push by the publisher with his novel named as Waterstone Books’ Science Fiction & Fantasy Book of the Month for February 2008 and chosen as one of the UK Science Fiction & Fantasy Book Club’s “Cosmic Five” debut titles for 2008. “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” is also being promoted for “fans of Philip Pullman and Scott Lynch” which is impressive company to be in, but also a little misleading. For instance, while “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” may feature a nautical setting, an elaborate plot at the center of the story, and cover art by Edward Miller—who also did the paintings for the Subterranean Press editions of “The Lies of Locke Lamora” and “Red Seas Under Red Skies”—the book is not nearly as flamboyant, witty or vulgar as Scott Lynch’s Gentlemen Bastard novels. Additionally, Mr. Redick’s debut doesn’t offer the theological or thematic analyses that you can find in Philip Pullman’s His Dark Materials trilogy, although they have a lot more in common such as youthful protagonists, sentient animals, connected worlds, and the fact that young readers will be able to enjoy the book as much as adults.
One thing that “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” does share with Scott Lynch’s novels though, is a fully realized world that is brought to life with amazing clarity and imagination. In fact, the worldbuilding was probably my favorite part of the book. Between meeting the different peoples (Flikkermen, Noonfirth) and creatures (Slevran, sea-murths, augrongs) of Alifros; to learning of the conflict between Arqual & Mzithrin, the conquering of Ormael, and the history of the Great Ship Chathrand; and marveling at the legends of Erithusmé, the Black Casket, and the Nilstone; not to mention all of the seemingly insignificant details that add depth and texture to Alifros; the backdrop for “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” is a wondrous creation that I enjoyed exploring as much as I did recently the worlds of Scott Lynch, Steven Erikson, and Brandon Sanderson. Of course, the problem with the worldbuilding in this case is that the actual story takes a backseat for about the first hundred pages or so when the author is concentrating on establishing the setting and introducing the lineup. It’s not until the Chathrand is launched that the plot starts to move forward because that’s where a large part of the novel takes place, which concerned me at first. You see, I’m not really a fan of nautical stories. Never have been. Fortunately, the Great Ship is not your normal sea vessel—Chathrand is the last of its kind, six hundred years old, constructed by both shipwrights & mages from materials that no longer exist, and so huge that you have to use a telescope to inspect the masts and giant creatures to handle the anchor—and even though Mr. Redick seems to intimately understand how a ship runs, he doesn’t bore us with all of the little details. Instead, the author rewards readers with an entertaining, fast-paced saga of high-seas adventure that is part fantasy quest, part political intrigue, and part coming-of-age tale.
More specifically, the story centers on the Chathrand which has been enlisted as part of a peacekeeping mission between Arqual & Mzithrin, but is actually a front for a much more sinister agenda that involves war, prophecy, the resurrection of a Mad King, and a mythical Red Wolf that harbors an ancient evil… Drawn into this web of lies and deceit is an eclectic cast of characters including young protagonists Pazel Pathkendle, an aspiring scholar-turned-orphan-turned-tarboy who is blessed—or cursed—with a magical Gift for languages, and Thasha Isiq, a boyish Ambassador’s daughter and the chosen treaty-bride between the two countries which is the key to the success or failure of the mission. Unfortunately, aside from Pazel’s ability to instantly read & speak any foreign tongue—which I have to admit is a pretty intriguing power to be saving the world with—and the prejudice that Pathkendle faces as an Ormaeli native, the hero & heroine of “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” are fairly stereotypical right down to their inevitable attraction of one another. Clichés also extend to the veteran spymaster Sander Ott, Dr. Ignus Chadfallow who seems to be everywhere, the noble Hercól—an ex-spy masquerading as Thasha’s dance tutor, Lady Syrarys, Pazel’s friend Neeps, an evil sorcerer, and various others from the supporting cast. Thankfully, Mr. Redick does a good job of canceling out the conventional with the not so conventional, particularly the use of self-aware or ‘woken’ animals that are integral to the story like the moon falcon Niriviel, a maimed black rat named Felthrup who holds all the answers to the conspiracy (and one of my favorites!), another rat in Master Mugstur who is a religious fanatic and wants to murder Captain Rose, and Sniraga the red cat. There’s also a race of inches-tall people called Ixchel or ‘crawlies’ that have their own agenda, the quite mad Captain Nilus Rotheby Rose, and let’s not forget about Ramachni the shape-shifting mage from another world.
As far as the novel’s structure, “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” opens with a ‘Special Notice’ from The Etherhorde Mariner which speculates on the disappearance of the Chathrand. From here, the story is told in a standard third-person narrative through the multiple viewpoints of humans, woken animals and ixchel alike, while interjected with occasional excerpts from the Quartermaster’s secret journal, letters addressed from Captain Rose to his father, and an intercepted correspondence from Dr. Chadfallow to Thasha’s father Eberzam. Personally, I really liked these breaks from the normal narrative; they added variety and some interesting insights. However, I was a bit puzzled by the ‘Editors’ Footnotes’ that appear at times throughout the novel, which seemed out of place…
Let me be straightforward here. I really liked “The Red Wolf Conspiracy”. Robert V.S. Redick’s debut was fun to read, intelligently crafted, highly imaginative, and undeniably charming and I can’t wait to see what happens on The Chathrand Voyage in the rest of the trilogy—“The Rats and the Ruling Sea” (Volume II) and “The Night of the Swarm” (Volume III). In short, “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” should do very well for its UK publisher Gollancz, and will probably sell even better whenever it’s released here in North America. That said, the novel didn’t quite ‘wow’ me as much as some of the more recent debuts that I’ve read by Scott Lynch, Mark J. Ferrari, Stephen Hunt, Joe Abercrombie, or Felix Gilman. There were two things actually that bothered me and in my mind prevented Mr. Redick’s novel from attaining greatness. One, the beginning and middle part of the novel is much, much stronger than the last third, particularly the final 80-100 pages. I’m not sure what happened, but once the action picked up and the characters started converging with one another, the novel just seemed to regress—the story became more juvenile especially the confrontations between the heroes and the villains; the dialogue seemed significantly worse; and it just felt like I was reading a different book from the one that I started with. The other thing that irritated me was the author’s decision to reveal early on the plot’s major secrets to the reader, but not the actual characters. Personally, if I had been left in the dark regarding all of the various double-crosses, shared histories and other twists that the story had to offer, I think I would have enjoyed the book even better. Regardless, I believe that Robert V.S. Redick’s novel will be one of the better fantasy debuts of 2008, and a lot of readers are going to want to discover for them selves the truth behind “The Red Wolf Conspiracy”…
Looking back, 2007 was a pretty good year for speculative fiction debuts. I mean you had Patrick Rothfuss’ “The Name of the Wind”, Mark J. Ferrari’s “The Book of Joby”, Wayne Barlowe’s “God’s Demon”, Jeffrey Overstreet’s “Auralia’s Colors”, Alex Bledsoe’s “The Sword-Edged Blonde”, Matthew Jarpe’s “Radio Freefall”, the American release of Joe Abercrombie’s “The Blade Itself”, and—even though they’re not technically debuts—you could also throw in David Anthony Durham’s “Acacia” and Stephen Hunt’s “The Court of the Air”. Like I said, pretty impressive and I didn’t even list all of the titles that I could have, which makes you wonder just how in the world 2008 is going to be able to surpass or even duplicate last year’s success. Obviously it’s way too early to be talking about such comparisons, but at least the New Year is off to a strong start with a number of striking debuts already including Felix Gilman’s “Thunderer” (was actually published at the end of 2007, but I’m counting it as a 2008 release
, Philip Palmer’s “Debatable Space” and Robert V.S. Redick’s “The Red Wolf Conspiracy”. Of the three, “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” has received the most advance publicity and for good reason—the book is a potential bestseller.So what defines a bestseller? Well, the number of copies sold is definitely one measuring stick, as is a book’s level of popularity, but for a debut novel to achieve any plateau of success hype, visibility and advertising are all important factors. Of the latter, Mr. Redick has already benefited from a strong marketing push by the publisher with his novel named as Waterstone Books’ Science Fiction & Fantasy Book of the Month for February 2008 and chosen as one of the UK Science Fiction & Fantasy Book Club’s “Cosmic Five” debut titles for 2008. “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” is also being promoted for “fans of Philip Pullman and Scott Lynch” which is impressive company to be in, but also a little misleading. For instance, while “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” may feature a nautical setting, an elaborate plot at the center of the story, and cover art by Edward Miller—who also did the paintings for the Subterranean Press editions of “The Lies of Locke Lamora” and “Red Seas Under Red Skies”—the book is not nearly as flamboyant, witty or vulgar as Scott Lynch’s Gentlemen Bastard novels. Additionally, Mr. Redick’s debut doesn’t offer the theological or thematic analyses that you can find in Philip Pullman’s His Dark Materials trilogy, although they have a lot more in common such as youthful protagonists, sentient animals, connected worlds, and the fact that young readers will be able to enjoy the book as much as adults.
One thing that “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” does share with Scott Lynch’s novels though, is a fully realized world that is brought to life with amazing clarity and imagination. In fact, the worldbuilding was probably my favorite part of the book. Between meeting the different peoples (Flikkermen, Noonfirth) and creatures (Slevran, sea-murths, augrongs) of Alifros; to learning of the conflict between Arqual & Mzithrin, the conquering of Ormael, and the history of the Great Ship Chathrand; and marveling at the legends of Erithusmé, the Black Casket, and the Nilstone; not to mention all of the seemingly insignificant details that add depth and texture to Alifros; the backdrop for “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” is a wondrous creation that I enjoyed exploring as much as I did recently the worlds of Scott Lynch, Steven Erikson, and Brandon Sanderson. Of course, the problem with the worldbuilding in this case is that the actual story takes a backseat for about the first hundred pages or so when the author is concentrating on establishing the setting and introducing the lineup. It’s not until the Chathrand is launched that the plot starts to move forward because that’s where a large part of the novel takes place, which concerned me at first. You see, I’m not really a fan of nautical stories. Never have been. Fortunately, the Great Ship is not your normal sea vessel—Chathrand is the last of its kind, six hundred years old, constructed by both shipwrights & mages from materials that no longer exist, and so huge that you have to use a telescope to inspect the masts and giant creatures to handle the anchor—and even though Mr. Redick seems to intimately understand how a ship runs, he doesn’t bore us with all of the little details. Instead, the author rewards readers with an entertaining, fast-paced saga of high-seas adventure that is part fantasy quest, part political intrigue, and part coming-of-age tale.
More specifically, the story centers on the Chathrand which has been enlisted as part of a peacekeeping mission between Arqual & Mzithrin, but is actually a front for a much more sinister agenda that involves war, prophecy, the resurrection of a Mad King, and a mythical Red Wolf that harbors an ancient evil… Drawn into this web of lies and deceit is an eclectic cast of characters including young protagonists Pazel Pathkendle, an aspiring scholar-turned-orphan-turned-tarboy who is blessed—or cursed—with a magical Gift for languages, and Thasha Isiq, a boyish Ambassador’s daughter and the chosen treaty-bride between the two countries which is the key to the success or failure of the mission. Unfortunately, aside from Pazel’s ability to instantly read & speak any foreign tongue—which I have to admit is a pretty intriguing power to be saving the world with—and the prejudice that Pathkendle faces as an Ormaeli native, the hero & heroine of “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” are fairly stereotypical right down to their inevitable attraction of one another. Clichés also extend to the veteran spymaster Sander Ott, Dr. Ignus Chadfallow who seems to be everywhere, the noble Hercól—an ex-spy masquerading as Thasha’s dance tutor, Lady Syrarys, Pazel’s friend Neeps, an evil sorcerer, and various others from the supporting cast. Thankfully, Mr. Redick does a good job of canceling out the conventional with the not so conventional, particularly the use of self-aware or ‘woken’ animals that are integral to the story like the moon falcon Niriviel, a maimed black rat named Felthrup who holds all the answers to the conspiracy (and one of my favorites!), another rat in Master Mugstur who is a religious fanatic and wants to murder Captain Rose, and Sniraga the red cat. There’s also a race of inches-tall people called Ixchel or ‘crawlies’ that have their own agenda, the quite mad Captain Nilus Rotheby Rose, and let’s not forget about Ramachni the shape-shifting mage from another world.
As far as the novel’s structure, “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” opens with a ‘Special Notice’ from The Etherhorde Mariner which speculates on the disappearance of the Chathrand. From here, the story is told in a standard third-person narrative through the multiple viewpoints of humans, woken animals and ixchel alike, while interjected with occasional excerpts from the Quartermaster’s secret journal, letters addressed from Captain Rose to his father, and an intercepted correspondence from Dr. Chadfallow to Thasha’s father Eberzam. Personally, I really liked these breaks from the normal narrative; they added variety and some interesting insights. However, I was a bit puzzled by the ‘Editors’ Footnotes’ that appear at times throughout the novel, which seemed out of place…
Let me be straightforward here. I really liked “The Red Wolf Conspiracy”. Robert V.S. Redick’s debut was fun to read, intelligently crafted, highly imaginative, and undeniably charming and I can’t wait to see what happens on The Chathrand Voyage in the rest of the trilogy—“The Rats and the Ruling Sea” (Volume II) and “The Night of the Swarm” (Volume III). In short, “The Red Wolf Conspiracy” should do very well for its UK publisher Gollancz, and will probably sell even better whenever it’s released here in North America. That said, the novel didn’t quite ‘wow’ me as much as some of the more recent debuts that I’ve read by Scott Lynch, Mark J. Ferrari, Stephen Hunt, Joe Abercrombie, or Felix Gilman. There were two things actually that bothered me and in my mind prevented Mr. Redick’s novel from attaining greatness. One, the beginning and middle part of the novel is much, much stronger than the last third, particularly the final 80-100 pages. I’m not sure what happened, but once the action picked up and the characters started converging with one another, the novel just seemed to regress—the story became more juvenile especially the confrontations between the heroes and the villains; the dialogue seemed significantly worse; and it just felt like I was reading a different book from the one that I started with. The other thing that irritated me was the author’s decision to reveal early on the plot’s major secrets to the reader, but not the actual characters. Personally, if I had been left in the dark regarding all of the various double-crosses, shared histories and other twists that the story had to offer, I think I would have enjoyed the book even better. Regardless, I believe that Robert V.S. Redick’s novel will be one of the better fantasy debuts of 2008, and a lot of readers are going to want to discover for them selves the truth behind “The Red Wolf Conspiracy”…
Wulfa_Jones
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I thought the title sounded more like a Sci-Fi novel than a fantasy with a name like that.
It sounds interesting and Gollancz hasn't disappointed me yet with any of their new authors so I'll be checking this out.
I don't mind stereotypes in books so that doesn't put me off at all.
It sounds interesting and Gollancz hasn't disappointed me yet with any of their new authors so I'll be checking this out.
I don't mind stereotypes in books so that doesn't put me off at all.
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Amras
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I've ordered this and will be reading it as soon as it comes out of the mail box. Werthead normally knows what he's talking about and it, and when they slapped on a Edward Miller cover I couldn't help myself!
(P.S. It's slotted in for a 1st of February release on amazon.co.uk and not the on the 21st like Wert claims in the start of this thread)
(P.S. It's slotted in for a 1st of February release on amazon.co.uk and not the on the 21st like Wert claims in the start of this thread
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Just ordered it on Amazon! Hopefully it should arrive early the week after next, since Amazon UK's started shipping via registered airmail (and given up on Deutsch Post, thank heavens!).
Yeah, I think "Thunderer" would be more up your alley than this one...
As far as the cover, I really love Edward Miller's artwork, but I'm not sure if he was the most appropriate artist for the "The Red Wolf Conspiracy". Looking at the cover, I was expecting a darker, grittier story, but the novel is more YA than adult fiction. Not that there is anything wrong with YA fiction, but I thought it was little misleading...
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This sounds really good, but is it only going to be released in the UK? I can't really afford to order it through there. But if it will make it eventually over here I will get it then. Had to do the same with Abercrombies books(am waiting anxiously for number two).
Yep, UK only for now--February 1, 2008 via Gollancz. I'm not sure, but I don't think they've sold the rights yet for North America, but I'm sure it will only be a matter of time...
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No, I've had that mentioned by the people who know: if you want a copy, then the UK (at the moment) is the place to get them from. There are (at present) no plans to sell in North America, other than as an import.
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Lately with the way things are I have to rather choosy with what I buy. If it is a book that I have been waiting for, part of a series that I know will be good that is sort of a no brainer. But otherwise, I use the library. In fact I didn't read "The Blade Itself" until the library here got a copy of it. And they have exactly one copy because I sent an email endorsing it. But of course they couldn't do that till it was published here. So it looks like I just might have to email again, but not until it publishes here in the US. I really wish I could buy more books, but with things the way they are right now the budget is pretty limited. But there are plenty to choose from so I will just have to have some patience(not always my strong suit
)As someone who gets plenty of free books a year and uses Bookdepository and probably purchases well over a hundred brand new books a year, I can think of plenty of issues why free shipping doesn't make buying a book from the UK problematic free.
First is the exchange rate. It is hardly great and even with free shipping the cost of a UK hardcover or trade paperback is still much higher than in the US. Amazon discounts deeper than bookdepository does and offers free shipping and cover prices of books are much more reasonable in the US. Factor in the weak dollar to the pound and book budgets go farther when sticking with the domestic. Many Americans. Like many other nationalities, find they get more for their buck by careful purchasing and realize that free shipping hardly means they are getting as much in terms of quantity of reading for their buying power.
Second is that some people simply can't afford to buy every book that jiggles their fancy. Some people don't receive arcs or get to read galleys or get wonderful promotion copies to offset what they have to spend in order to acheive their reading desires. Or have to carefully pick and choose what they buy because other things come first. And even second and third and fourth and so on.
Third is that some people simply like to pick up a book and peruse it before they buy it. Get a feel for the writing or even just gaze at the shiny new cover. No matter how much praise and adulation it gets from others.
Fourth is the fact that some people don't have credit cards. Or don't trust, like or want to pruchase things online.
Fifth is some readers are very aware of the current state of decline among brick and mortar bookstores and feel it imperative to support in any they can, independently owned bookstores. A a fatlering breed whose demise will seriously affect all bibliophiles.
Sixth is part of many of the above. In that there is a vast array of fantasy already available at local chains and online at cheaper pricing even with the free shipping. It's hardly a drought in reading material, particularly in the genre. Whether using Amazon with free shipping and domestic prices or the shelves at the local chain store, there is plenty on the shelves to chose from. Add in bargain bins at local chains and the various 4-for-3 deals on Amazon and bookdepository is hardly a completely irresistable option.
Factor in as well the recent rapid turnaround on US rights sold following a strong UK debut and if the book is all that, it will hit here cheaper and more accessible in the not too distant future. John Jarrold has been following success after success in getting his new UK authors published in the US in a year or even less. Even if it takes longer, again, there are plenty of books out there and only so much money to spend and time to read them. Books that for many readers are easier and cheaper to attain. Readers in fact that are Canadian, Australian and Japanese for instance.
And while free shipping certainly plays a role in how willing I am to buy a new book, it has never been the sole reason I've done so nor do I imagine it will be the sole reason any time in the near future. Many issues play a part in that decision. Sure if I want a book I'm willing to spend UK prices. But that is a weighing of all the issues above and some I haven't even mentioned. Free shipping is hardly the end all to be all in this day and age, no matter how much I might appreciate it.
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I live in Israel, not in the US or in Europe, and even if you include the shipment cost from the US to Israel, it's still cheaper to order in the US than it is in the UK, considering the low exchange rate of the dollar lately...
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Well of course, it depends which side of the exchange mechanism you're sitting. For us Brits it's quite nice.
I will agree with John though that price is not the only consideration (if at all!) when buying; I'm sure that's not what Wert was amusingly pointing out in his post.
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I will agree with John though that price is not the only consideration (if at all!) when buying; I'm sure that's not what Wert was amusingly pointing out in his post.
Sadly, not always the case; and 'eventual' can mean years..... see Erikson, for example.
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I'm still waiting for this one, it's sitting in the belly of a plane or a truck somewhere between Londinium and Lutetia. Must say my hope have been somewhat dimmed, owing to some of the somewhat unenthusiastic reviews I've read recently. That's the problem with hype, eh. I'm sure it will be an entertaining read nonetheless
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