Using first person narrative

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When you write in first person, do you always know who the narrator is speaking to?

I find that unless I'm deliberately breaking the fourth wall or writing a diary-like entries, I dislike my narrator speaking to the reader. They need to be telling their story to a character that the narrator knows even if the reader never finds out who they are. Finding that character is a necessary part of writing in first person. Sometimes, I spend several drafts trying to work it out. I've even abandoned stories because I didn't know who the narrator was addressing.

Is anyone else as madly obsessed by this as I am? =)

skribe
 
Hey Skribe--

Hmm. Interesting ponderings. I mostly write in third person, but I've paid a certain amount of attention to first, mostly because of its ability to reveal quirks about the narrator. It would seem to me there are at least four modes of first person narrative, each defined by the intended recipient (or lack thereof) of the narrator's revelations. The author would make a choice depending upon the tone required for best presentation of the story.

1) Letters, either to another player in the story or to the somewhat ephemeral persons who never come onto the stage. Letters were a favorite first-person vehicle in 19th Century prose. Think Goethe's Sorrows of Young Werther, or Mary Wallstonecraft Shelley's Frankenstein. Letters (which these days would include digital communications) are a wonderful trick, in that they give us the vicarious thrill of peeking into private communication.

2) Ships' logs, official journals and the like are similar to letters, especially in their verisimilitude, but lack the voyeuristic tone of letters. Think in terms of Bradbury's Martian Chronicles. As readers we are easily sucked into the suspension of disbelief by the the feeling that we've stumbled upon a hidden bit of history.

3) Journals for posterity, such as A. Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes canon, differ from #2, above, in that we the readers are the intended audience. Dr. Watson in the Sherlock Holmes series is openly aware that he is witnessing the remarkable doings of a remarkable man, and that such doings are worthy of becoming a story. It's a lot like having Watson drop by for a beer and recounting the tale.

4) Internal monologue, or thinking, is quite popular in modern mysteries, especially the American hard-boiled private eye stories. The philosophical quirks of the first person narrator come across in the phrasing. Unlike any of the previous three modes of first person narration, there is no intended audience whatsoever. The omission of recipient allows a level of brutal honesty--including hates, prejudices, passions, and perversions--that would be difficult to attain via other means, because most people edit and censor their public utterances. John Fowles' The Collector, the internal monologue of a sexual predator, is a perfect example.

These categories, of course, are quite arbitrary; and it wouldn't surprise me if I've overlooked other first person modes. There are unlimited blends and variations of the above. The principle advantage of first person narration is that it leads to the tightest possible focus. The disadvantage is a corollary of the advantage: When a story is tightly focused, it disallows the objectivity of a detached narrator. In its purest form, first person narration occludes all aspects of the fictional reality that are not visible to the narrator--a disadvantage that can be overcome by using inter-cutting first person narrations by multiple narrators... which, of course, would sacrifice some of the tight focus.

-WB
 
Nice presentation, WB. I found the internal monologue quite fun when doing a short "film noir" humor SF piece (I swear I'll finish it one day). I think the bigger problem for writers starting out in First Person is a tendency to sound more like a diary.

Kerry
 
It would seem to me there are at least four modes of first person narrative, each defined by the intended recipient (or lack thereof) of the narrator's revelations.

One I feel you're missing is verbal storytelling. A really good example are the first 5 Amber books by Roger Zelazny. The entire story is him telling his son what happened. We don't discover this until the fifth book - although there are clues as early as Book 2.

1) Letters,
2) Ships' logs, official journals and the like
3) Journals for posterity

I specifically excluded these regarding my question. Re: diary-like entries. I feel they're essentially the same type.

4) Internal monologue, or thinking, is quite popular in modern mysteries, especially the American hard-boiled private eye stories.

It was a dark and stormy night, and the body was right there in front of me. It just didn't know it was dead yet.

Who thinks like that? I know it's a literary contrivance, but my initial question is at its heart all about the narrator's motivations. Why is he/she telling this story? With a diary entry (points 1-3 on your list) they're telling it for posterity. I don't have an issue with that. However, with the internal monologue and the verbal storyteller the motivation question is paramount. Why is this story being told and why is it being told in this way? When I'm writing I need to be able to answer those questions, because they heavily influence the way the story is structured and how information is conveyed.

For instance, if the narrator is telling their story to someone that has the same knowledge of Quantum Flux Capacitors as they do, then it breaks the fourth-wall believability factor for the narrator to suddenly explain how the Quantum Flux Capacitor works. However, that information might be absolutely vital to the audience's understanding of the story. There are ways around it, but you need to be aware that the issue exists before you can fix it. Just like the issue with Mark VIII Quantum Flux Capacitor. You know the one. If you try to push it up past 1.5 they completely lose their phase encoding and that's when the real trouble begins.

I was curious if anyone else over thinks this as much as I apparently do =)
 
I was curious if anyone else over thinks this as much as I apparently do =)

Probably. I don't. I do think about such issues, but I don't obsess over them. They're just one of jillions of details every writer needs to work out for a particular work.

I specifically excluded these regarding my question. Re: diary-like entries. I feel they're essentially the same type.

But I don't. I think WB's contribution is useful to this discussion. It opens up the question of how we classify first person. He mentioned a few divided by whom to which they were addressed.

I’d also classify them not only by TO, but also FROM, TYPE of content, and perhaps a few other criteria. Perhaps most important being WHAT THEY CONTRIBUTE to the story. Do they reveal character? Move the plot along? Establish or elaborate the setting?

I’ve started cautiously experimenting with using short first-person present passages in my mostly third-person past stories. I’m still fumbling around figuring out how they can be useful.
 
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One I feel you're missing is Verbal Storytelling.

Yup, this is definitely one I missed. I'm not familiar with the books you mentioned, but I am familiar with the mode. One of my favorite Indie films, Windwalker, is told by a dying Blackfoot Indian to his own ancestors, thus it's almost a prayer, a presence that appears as voice-over throughout this excellent film. It's quite powerful, and the motivation is obvious: His tale concerns a lost descendant of theirs, and how he (the narrator) returned from his own death to restore the lost descendant to the tribe. He is making peace with eternity--quite a motivation.

(Re: Internal monologue) Who thinks like that? I know it's a literary contrivance, but my initial question is at its heart all about the narrator's motivations. Why is he/she telling this story?

(First, let me say I'm using Internal Monologue and Internal Dialogue pretty much interchangeably. Someone more-versed than I would have to parse out the difference. What I'm referring to is Thought, unvoiced thought.)

The way I see it, in internal monologue there is NO motivation for telling the story--none, because the story is never actually told, just considered. In my own life, for example, if I'm on a five-mile hike, I have a constant stream of images running through my consciousness. I could not turn them off if I wanted to. Now, in the over-stylized private eye send-up you've offered, there's nothing revealed about the narrator beyond his internal attempt at humor. But a real internal monologue from the viewpoint of a truly quirky person could be quite telling. In fact, if I had a word-by-word, image-by-image, book of my own brain, it would reveal far more about me than I would ever care to show anyone -- especially myself.

It's no accident that this mode of storytelling came into fashion concurrent with psychoanalysis and the hypothesis of the unconscious mind. Internal dialogue may, in fact, be what you're looking for. For example, in describing a complicated piece of machinery, as in your Quantum Flux Capacitor example, your narrator could, in his internal monologue, think about how he would describe such a system to Little Suzie Innocence, the girl he left behind. Via his thoughts, you the author will reveal what kind of man your narrator is. Does his internal rehearsal of the description of the capacitor credit Suzie with a mind? Does he talk down to her? Does he patronize her? Does he flatter her? It's all revealed in his thought patterns. We, the readers, will learn a whole lot about your narrator from how he thinks about describing it.

My real-life guess is that most of us survive via little dabs of personal internal flattery: "Won't Suzie be impressed when she learns I'm the only one who truly understands quantum flux? Hmm, no, that's over the top. What if I say, "Yeah, Suze, the chief mechanic came down with another case of hemorrhoids. As usual, the captain called on me to fix the Quantum Flux Capacitor. Sure, anybody could have done it, but the cap'n insists I've got a certain touch. Yes, yes, he's ridiculous, but what could I say?"

I was curious if anyone else over thinks this as much as I apparently do =)

We might. Every scrap of craftsmanship is learned first by considering, then doing. I haven't done enough first person writing to know whether or not it comes naturally; but I'll guarantee, third person writing has many of the same issues, and I'm so far from mastering them that it frightens me. If anyone tries to tell me that he/she just happens to be a "natural" who hasn't had to think hard about the tools, I'll suspect I'm in the presence of a liar.

Have fun -- WB
 
The way I see it, in internal monologue there is NO motivation for telling the story--none, because the story is never actually told, just considered.

I was about to say something along this line.

As WB said, I know I have an internal (non-stoppable) monologue about my life. I'm telling my own story to myself, I guess. When I read first person (which I very often do not), I kind of think of first person in those terms - the person is talking to themselves. (shrugs)

Have you thought of writing the same scene or same story in first person then re-writing it in third person? It would be interesting to see what differences are revealed, or what information isn't revealed.

Have you read Hobb's Farseer series? I loved those books. First person. I should re-read them sometime...
 
I totally take your point, and TMSO's, but for me I think it's no bad thing to have first person seem like an informal chat with the reader. Depending on the writing style, it can help to really draw the reader in and feel almost like there's a rapport or companionship with the narrator. I can't think of a good example off the top of my head, but I do believe it.

If you do find it too hard for you to accept that, then I don't particularly see an issue with finding other ways of using first person. Interview with a Vampire is first person told to another character and that works really well.

Ultimately, I can only say that no, I don't obsess over the issue because it's not an issue to me, it's just another style of writing
 
It was a dark and stormy night, and the body was right there in front of me. It just didn't know it was dead yet.

Who thinks like that? I know it's a literary contrivance, but my initial question is at its heart all about the narrator's motivations.

I'd like to add a bit to what WB and tmso already mentioned, and that's the whole question of who does think like that. No one really. While we have a constant stream of consciousness, it really doesn't play out linguistically. That makes an internal narration in literature something of a translation.

Consider it the same way that fantasy stories usually deal with different languages. Realistically (as much as that term can be applied to fantasy) none of the characters in a secondary world would be speaking English at all. Their cultures would have developed with their own unique language systems. The writer writes it in English because he/she needs it to be comprehensible. A first person narration is the same thing, translating the thoughts from a person's mind into something we can actually read and understand when we see it on the page.

So yes, it's nothing more than a literary contrivance, but I feel it's a justified one. It is, as Brainsnaffler points out, just one of many different styles, and it can be used or avoided based on whether you feel it adds or detracts from your story.
 
It was a dark and stormy night, and the body was right there in front of me. It just didn't know it was dead yet.

Who thinks like that? I know it's a literary contrivance, but my initial question is at its heart all about the narrator's motivations. Why is he/she telling this story?

Well no, it doesn't quite work like that. Consider the sentences in third person:

It was a dark and stormy night, and the body was right there in front of him. It just didn't know it was dead yet.

One word is changed, one pronoun. Is it now a narrative where the pov character is talking to someone mentally or physically or do you see it as just the pov character's thoughts, the third person pov character essentially talking/thinking to himself and processing information? We do, in fact, talk to ourselves internally as if there was another person, or even more than one, which is also ourselves. We do make jokes to ourselves. We keep a running monologue as we process what we are experiencing. Do I want some more shrimp? That would probably make me sick. Yeah, better not. Shrimp sickness, there's probably a fancy word for that. And so forth. Try recording what goes through your head for an hour. You'll find some interesting conversations and possibly suspect you have ADD.

And in the fictional narrative, there is some contrivance for narrative voice but it is not substantially different in first person than in third. So what you're making a requirement of first person is actually just an option of first person and one of the ways that first person format can be useful for different story approaches.

So there's first person, present tense. That's the running inner monologue of the first person narrator told with immediacy as it happens. Then there's standard first person, past tense, which is still a running inner monologue of events that are currently occurring, but gives the reader a different, less intense rhythm. Most first person is in this form. Then there's first person, past tense, with foreshadowing to imply that these are past events that the first person narrator is recounting. That's the one that is probably giving you some fits. It's used quite often in mysteries, as is straight first person, past tense. It's the "little did I know" version. That version can be interpreted as the first person narrator recounting events to others or as the first person narrator simply remembering to himself what occurred and how it felt at the time. It is, however, not necessarily spelled out which it is and if the former, who the pov character is relating the story to.

Then there are first person formats where the first person narrator is non-omniscient, semi-omniscient or omniscient. In the non-omniscient version, the first person narrator is definitely telling someone the story of past events (or past events up to a point at which the story may then switch to a present timeline,) which occurred to the first person narrator or which the first person narrator was told by someone else. The someone being told the story is usually identified at least as a general person/character listening who may or may not speak, or as a general audience (dear reader.) The first person narrator gives his thoughts and feelings and conclusions about events, and talks about the actions and speech of others, with interpretations of their thoughts, but the first person narrator doesn't know the actual inner thoughts and feelings of other people beyond what they say and has to guess.

A semi-omniscient first person narrator is similar, recounting a story that occurred, perhaps even to multiple generations. The semi-omniscient narrator is told the thoughts and feelings of others by those others, who fill in parts of the stories along with the first person narrator's interpretations. These thoughts and feelings of others are presented as them feeling and thinking them at the time, as if a third person narration, but at the same time are being related through the first person narrator, with commentary to one degree or another by this narrator. An omniscient first person narrator knows the inner thoughts and feelings of all the characters in the stories and presents them as they think and feel them, just like a third person omniscient narrator, without having to mention how the narrator came by the information, was told it.

Then there are first person narrators who are frame story narrators. These narrators are telling a story directly to an audience, possibly characters, such as people in an inn, but possibly just to the general reading audience. But once they begin the story, the story is told in third person, as a mixed format, with the first person narrator framer acting as an omniscient or semi-omniscient narrator but not necessarily present in the story at all.

Then there is revolving first which has multiple first person pov characters who each take a turn controlling the narrative. Revolving first can be done as standard first or a form of overall narrator. It is often done as essentially the same narrative you'd do in third person limited, but in first person. There are also straight mixed formats in which part of the narrative is in third person limited or omniscient and parts are in first person, possibly of one character or more than one character. And lastly there are brief fragments of first person in a narrative that are usually used for emphasis or to represent a dream state, etc. Letters, diaries, etc. are a device that usually reference the past, but not necessarily completely. For instance in a diary entry, just past events will be related but events that occur after the date of the diary entry will not be foreshadowed. These devices can be used in a manner of non-omniscient, semi-omniscient or omniscient formats.

And then there are divided minds where the mind of the first person pov character is literally different people or forcibly divided halves. The first person pov character may be talking to someone or just thinking, but it may be like a conversation -- our inner monologue (which tends to be more of a dialogue) writ large.

For instance, if the narrator is telling their story to someone that has the same knowledge of Quantum Flux Capacitors as they do, then it breaks the fourth-wall believability factor for the narrator to suddenly explain how the Quantum Flux Capacitor works. However, that information might be absolutely vital to the audience's understanding of the story. There are ways around it, but you need to be aware that the issue exists before you can fix it. Just like the issue with Mark VIII Quantum Flux Capacitor. You know the one. If you try to push it up past 1.5 they completely lose their phase encoding and that's when the real trouble begins.

If I am thinking to myself, I may mentally review how the Flux Capacitor works. I may remind myself that if I try to push it up past 1.5, it will completely lose the phrase encoding and that will be where the real trouble begins. I may or may not think about what that real trouble is.

If I do have a first person pov character talking to someone, a character, then that character on the receiving end is there because I want him and have a specific purpose for him being there in that scene re information I'm conveying for the readers. If I'm having the first person character recount to the audience, I have a choice of treating the audience as not knowing what the Capacitor is or knowing, but reminding the audience. And yes, it's contrived, but the majority of the audience accepts it as the style of the story. A percentage will not like that style but a percentage always doesn't like whatever style and format you pick.

I think that authors do analyze how they want to do it. But the claim that first person is always an accounting to another, but third person is not doesn't work for all the approaches.
 
Personally, I don't find the original question at all something I worry about. Who is a first person POV narrator talking to? Same person a third person narrator is talking to. They're both literary constructs envoked to deliver the story.

The question you need to be asking before you choose first person POV is why are you doing it in the first place? There has to be a story-specific reason for chosing that narrative POV. If there isn't, then it's almost guaranteed that a different narrative POV do better for the job?

What does the first person POV allow you to do that other views don't? Off the top of my head, I can think of:
1) It limits the amount and type of information the narrator has access to. That could be very important if you need to hide certain information from the reader until it can be sprung on them at an appropriate time.

2) If you want to use the old unreliable narrator trick. Which, actually is a subset of the limited viewpoint category listed above. Only you don't just limit the information you're making available, you deliberately twist the available information and mislead the reader.

3) You want to more fully explore the mental state of the protagonist. First person POV allows the main character to reveal in detail their desires, thoughts, dreams, fears, emotions, etc. And if done correctly, it can be a more powerful experience because the reader is seeing things from their POV...the reader, in effect, becomes the protagonist. In a third person or omniscient POV, there's always an element of observation rather than participation.

That's all I can think of right now. So the "who are they talking to" isn't really the issue. The "why are you writing it that way" is.
 
It really depends on how you pull it off, on the length, nature and feel of the story you want to tell. I would love to put a long excerpt from one of Jim Butcher's Dresden Files because he is so good at a sort of casual first person format that honestly he pulls it off much like a third person story. I have never seen first person done so well, tailored perfectly to the story. I have read Hobbs (captivating), and honestly, I think Butcher might be even better with his use of the format to bring the story and the character to life. His writing in the first person is so smooth I actually adopted it for a story I started because it a perfect vessel for information and exposition without being obnoxious or overwhelming, in many cases without the reader realizing how much they just learned.


If you want to do anything in first person I urge you to read some Jim Butcher because he is really an underrated master, and there are alot of tricks and techniques that can be extracted from his work.
 

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