What is your writing style and how will it progress writing?

You are right about that, when a person asks for the seqeul it is awesome. And when locals say that they are proud of you that feels great. When they ask for your autograph, it makes you feel well, warm inside. And when you can't write for whatever reason it does plague your mind with what ifs and maybes, and spoken lines. It just has to come out, sun or no sun. And reading is the same way, when you are hooked on a story...they key is finding people who get hooked on what you are writing as much as you are hooked on writing it. some readers do get the same "high" from reading as we do from writing. Well actually I get the same feeling from both, if the books hooks me. Ever get the same cravings for food that the character gets when you are reading a book? That is connection, and I don't mean blood if your reading about vamps. But connection, feelings of somekind must be felt, or what have you done? I like to feel what the characters feel, cry with them, whatever. Just my nosy opinion.
 
What Red said.

Most stuff has been done before; I'll be the first one to laugh at anyone who accuses me of originality ;).

And while I am all for stories being written with a moral awareness of what is being written and an emphasis on emotional truth and beauty, I don't that is something that can be planned as part of an authors program of social change. A story is meant to make the reader think and feel, and that, in my experience, happens best when there are many ways to interpret it, when the reader has to wrestle with it. If a story has a clear agenda then it doesn't make the reader think; either the reader nods as part of the choir being preached to, or thows it at the wall.

I'm a die hard feminist, but some of my most sympathetic characters are very traditionally masculine scions of a dying patriarchy, and some of my most vile are women who come to power. And I have sympathetic female characters and douchey male characters. For me, my feminism in writing is about exploring every character as an individual, not as a type. Equal opportunity heroism and villany :)

It is the same thing with religion. I was raised a devout Swedish Lutheran (doctrinally fairly liberal), went to a conservative LCMS college for a few years before adventuring over into hardcore orthodox Catholic territory (I got my BA and first Masters in theology at Franciscan University of Stuebenville), and then I wandered back in the direction of High Church/Liberal Theology protestantism as an adult (I think I'm now officially ELCA/Episcopalian). Considering how all over the map I've been with my own relgious beliefs, it would be almost impossible for me to write an apologetical or didactic Christian story. However, it would also be impossible to write with no reference to that background; I take it apart, examine it, subvert it, bring out "latent content", and wrestle with the themes I grew up with and studied.

But really, in the end, my story is ultimately about characters and their story, and my hope is that a reader can read and enjoy it as a story with absolutely no reference to religion, myth, gender politics, etc.

I think a really good writer can do that. On one hand, I LOVE reading Tolkien or Gene Wolfe or Ursula LeGuin knowing their philosophical/religious backgrounds, but I also enjoy them as storytellers. CS Lewis, on the other hand, is a little too heavy handed for me; his worldview overwhelms the story.

And on the note of women in SFF, there are lots of women. Here is one of my favorite lists:

http://www.cynthiaward.com/feminist.html

Not to mention all of the women who write paranormal/fantasy romances.

The problem isn't a lack of women writing about speculative/fantastical things, it is the idea that "SFF is about adventure, battles, and combat" which is going to exclude a lot of women's writing - not that women CAN'T write about that as well as men; we can. It's just that a lot of women....don't. And why should we have to? Why should women's writing in SFF have to conform to male writers or male fans expectations to be considered SFF? For me, feminism in writing isn't about women being able to write the same as men or female characters being as martially bad-ass as male characters, but for the things considered important to female writers and the experiences of female characters, who might never pick up a sword or gun, to be considered important on their own merits.
 
Exactly. If society can't progress how do you expect the genre to progress? They are one in the same.

I disagree. Genre is a specialized subset of literature, and literature is one aspect of culture. Not the same, not equal, but related.

The issue I take is that you seem to be presenting it as a question of equal causality. As if taking up issues in your writing will progress the culture (using art as the lever) on the same scale as changes in culture changing writing. I don't think it works that way. Nor do I think it makes sense to talk about progressing genre. Broadening the genre, perhaps -- but it's already about as broad as it's likely to get (you can find anything you can imagine in the genres if you know where to look or who to ask). But what you're saying isn't really about broadening it so much as addressing its focus and using it to push. And again, I don't think it works that way.

In a few specific instances, an example of a given art may have a fairly wide causal cultural relationship, but I still think the effect is significantly less than anything near total. Literature being only one small part of culture, the potential for a far reaching effect on culture is small. And beyond that I doubt that any art, no matter its space or power in a culture, has a particularly large effect on the nature of that culture individually, or often even a small one. In most cases, it is causally localized only to that particular art, and even then limitedly.

In literature, for example, a huge number of people in the English speaking cultures are exposed to Shakespeare's works, and Shakespeare took up/included numerous issues in his works -- some contemporary to his time, but many perennial, timeless issues, including all of those you listed. The fact that he did so doesn't seem to have had much, if any, measurable effect on the current culture -- we're still doing much the same things he wrote about, with the same tendencies, with the same story structures.

If we're examining it as a question of progress, of causal relationships, then we're looking at it as a question of historocultural narrative -- a long, multi-generational social learning curve, in other words. If the assertion is that "progressing" writing "progresses" culture, then we would expect that people would have learned the lessons there to be learned in Shakespeare's works sometime over the past 400+ years -- who I'm mentioning only because he's the author pretty much everyone knows of, beyond most societal boundaries, for a long long time, covered a plethora of issues, and is basically the ultimate example of an author who did things that progressed the language, the art, the medium, etc.

So, what progress? Neither the culture, nor the art, "progressed" from Shakespeare in any really measurable way. And, if we go further back chronologically, there is likewise no real progress. Since Chaucer, about all we've done is move to standardized spelling, punctuation, and grammar -- which, funnily enough, still has nothing to do with writing -- and, because the technology allows it, devised some additional media to deliver writing (particularly the novel) -- still, really not the writing, and the novels we write today are little different from the first true novels, though there are many, many more of them.

More often, as with Shakespeare, Chaucer, or any other more recent SF author, the causal relationship in the arts remains primarily internal -- which is the process of how genres emerge. Even the Modernist, avant garde lit of the the late 19th century is better understood as a genre resulting from social and technological changes than a developmental period of writing in literature's history. These things are a kind of internal mimicry, and limited to sets of static qualities that define and delimit those genres.

These qualities are phenomenological, emerging from specialized interests within the culture that appear, grow in popularity, and eventually wane. The Western being the classic example. The core of the genre can't really change, but interest in that core in the dominant culture shifted, and now there isn't really a Western genre in its own right.

Is that progress?

I just think that it's important that we don't overstate the importance of literature. For the record -- I do believe that literature can be influential to a person's core beliefs. But, it's one thing amongst many -- and the many other influences are often from more important and more oft repeated.

IMO, Literature (most specifically creative entertainment literature, but most literature in general too) is far, far less a cause of the dissemination of ideas than the collector of disseminated idea.

By the time a book is published, it's already an historical artefact of a past culture.

I'm not saying "don't include issues" -- but I am saying, don't do it because you're trying to change the world. Do it because you're trying to tell a good story about something important to you.

I'm sorry but I have to say screw that. I want magic in my sci-fi.

That's all well and good, but you'll most likely find that your work will be classified as some subtype of Fantasy then. Refer to the neverending Star Wars debates over in the SF forum! :D

(Yes, Kat, if you're seeing this, I think I'm finally siding with you for good on this one.)

No. It will never be that way. There are always more followers than leaders.

Then I have to ask: what is the goal of this progress? Or are we talking progress for progresses sake?

Just so you know, "Issue Lit" is considered a genre in some circles. ;)
 
No it was my studio teacher who told us that, and I believe you interpreted the meaning of the phrase wrong. It isn't about expressing one's thoughts or feelings, it's about thinking before you speak. It's meant for people who would say "I really hate the Beatles!" and then five years down the road they realize they actually really love the Beatles.

And why is this a bad thing? If I say, "I have a headache" do people consider it foolish because tomorrow might head might feel fine?

I tend to be a courteous host, but I would gladly punch Galapagos in the face, toss it out of my apartment, and leave it unconscious in the gutter during a rainstorm.

You may feel differently. You might want to slip into a dark corner with the book* and make out with it while it whispers to you in its cute French accent.

You feel one way. I feel the other. We might feel something different five or ten or twenty years from now. This is fine.


*Whatever Vonnegut book you like.

First point:

To "progress" with respect to genre would mean, more or less, to move on from or advance beyond those generic qualities. In other words, when it comes to genre, progress equals death.

Progress simply mean 'change in ways I believe are better.' Genres change over time because genre is the label we slap over a group of associations. And fantasy is a very, very loose genre. Whether science fiction is loose or very restricted depends on who's defining it, which is thankfully the publishers, because if it were up to the fans only three books a year might manage the scifi label.

The basic generic quality that defines speculative fiction is 'stuff that isn't.' You can have a large amount of change within that and call it genre progress. For example: If I see the number of minority main character increase over time in a number of sf subgenres, that would be 'genre progress' even though a Chinese man fighting bug-faced aliens is as much science fiction as a white American man fighting bug-faced aliens.

Likewise, if I see more sf centered around themes I value, that's genre progress even though a Chinese man learning to love and understand his bug-faced alien neighbors is as much science fiction as a Chinese man fighting bug-faced aliens.
 
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Progress simply mean 'change in ways I believe are better.'

Shh... you're ruining the punch line! :p

Genres change over time because genre is the label we slap over a group of associations.

Or another way of looking at it -- no genre is as defined as an individual definition of those associations would suggest. Beyond one or two truly core elements, genres are totally made-up, socially operative and interactive labeling systems. In that sense, genres never change -- only how they're dressed.

Like the entire concept of the "development" of literature, the thing we usually call genre is an observer phenomenon. There is almost no historical narrative actually going on within the field of writing. There is influence, and there are little bubbles of strong influence that would suggest a degree of causal relationships, but all in all it's really only there because we perceive it to be there, subjectively. We build the artefacts of history into a story.

It's not like a constitution or a common law system, for example, where there is an actual thing that is shaped by the addition of new material and ways of doing things. "Writing" is not such a living object. The Literary Canon is made-up.

Whether science fiction is loose or very restricted depends on who's defining it, which is thankfully the publishers, because if it were up to the fans only three books a year might manage the scifi label.

Hence why I'm repeating Kat's usual point re: the fundamental difference between SF and F -- she's our local publishing treasure trove of knowledge. SF is when you provide a scientific rationale for "stuff that isn't," and F is when the rationale is non-scientific (which, as you point out, is vast). All those other attributes used to build the associations we identify as "genres" are largely arbitrary. Dressing. Tools to help people find "what I like."
 
Oooh let me muddy those waters by reminding us of Clarke's Third Law which states, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Carry on. ;)
 
So anyways, I'd like to hear the writing styles of others and how you feel it will progress sci-fi, fantasy, and writing in general. What do you feel needs to be done to progress? What do you feel is being done that is keeping the genres stale? What do you do yourself that is unique and original?
I don't think along those lines. I just want to tell a good story that people will enjoy. That's it.

I harbor no grandiose ideas of greatness or fame or passing anything down to other writers blah blah blah. I'm just a simple storyteller and writing is my medium.

That said, I write in a style that suits the story. I mostly write tight third or first person narratives, so it'd be kind of silly for me to write like a modern day New Yorker if I'm writing in the perspective of a 90 year old woman from Russia, for example.

So, my style changes somewhat depending on the story I'm writing and "who's head" I'm in at the moment.
 
I don't really belive in the progression of writing. This might sound like a dumb statement, but it's my opinion. Writing is a unique art to every person individually, like any art is. It is only society and defined groups who like to catagorize and stereotype and somehow map and grade, simply because the brani has too.

I love reading different styles, I love writing how I write naturally. Simple.

Writing does not have to get better. It will get different, that's all. Then the same again, then different, then a bit more different, then simmilliar...
 
i've thought a lot about this since the thread started.

my writing style is crouching chipmunk with a little wu-tang throwed in.

oh yeah.
 
Don't get too caught up on style for style's sake. You story has to be understood by the reader. Being too clever can work against you.

Also the title of the thread is a bit confusing, to me it means how will your style of writing progress during your writing, not how will it forward the style and type of narrative used in the genre.

To be honest if you look hard enough you will find as many different styles and types of narrative used in the genre as in any other fiction.

Develop your own style or "voice", one that comes naturally to you to tell your story clearly to your reader.One that draws them into the story and does not let them go until the end.
 
Writing shouldn't be like an assignment from school, it should be an expression of yourself. Forcing something never works out for the best, it just makes a mess, like vomiting up words for sake of it. If your story is good, people will talk about it. I know that I write for an escape from the troubles of the real world. It is why I read too...better than drugs. I think if you make a connection with a reader, especially if they don't normally like your genre, that maybe that would be considered progress. Why? Because you got someone new to try us all out. That is the best compliment that I have recieved so far. "Normally I wouldn't read this, but after the first page I was hooked." That is what I consider progress...am I wrong?
 

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