Who will replace Goodkind and Jordan?

Being completely new to this board I'll go sit in the 'unpopular comment' corner right away, by saying: I hope nobody goes where Jordan and Goodkind went.

As for who will sell like those two sell, I don't think there will be a new writer in the next 5 years who ends up selling more.
 
Being completely new to this board I'll go sit in the 'unpopular comment' corner right away, by saying: I hope nobody goes where Jordan and Goodkind went.
I think you meant 'popular comment' corner. Welcome to the group think:rolleyes:
 
Damn is that just you and me or does the majority of this board feel this way? If so, that's a first for me and I've been around quite a few boards (and people) :)
 
Completely the opposite with me. With WoT ending I want to have another series to replace it. There isn't even a Harry Potter to look forward to anymore and after the 4th book that series fell to the affliction that's become common to the current crop of fantasy. Unfortunately the recent series I've sampled so far simply do not come up to the standard. They are too small, too pedestrian, too self-conscious, too self-absorbed, and lack enough vitality or joie de vivre to hold my interest.

It just occurred to me that the merging of the Fantasy and Horror sections is in a way apt. Fantasy is looking more and more like horror.
 
It just occurred to me that the merging of the Fantasy and Horror sections is in a way apt. Fantasy is looking more and more like horror.

I guess your recent picks have been unfortunate...I've had a streak like that once. I very much disagree with you however on your statement that fantasy looks more and more like horror.

May I ask what you've read to make you feel this way? (if thats not too offtopic). Fantasy has depths horror will never get near, not even when it's tied to a concrete block and thrown overboard - but that's my personal view on that genre.
 
I don't know. Do UF/PR readers consider themselves to be reading fantasy in the fantasy genre or do they consider themselves to be in there own seperate genre?:) Do they share the same shelf space? I know here in Aus they don't.

Here in the US, they do. And in my local B&N, it seems like at least half the books are UF/PR. That's a bit tiresome if you don't like that stuff, but if that's your bag, must be heaven.
 
I don't know. Do UF/PR readers consider themselves to be reading fantasy in the fantasy genre or do they consider themselves to be in there own seperate genre? Do they share the same shelf space? I know here in Aus they don't.

In the UK it varies. My local bookshop puts the Dresden books on the SF&F shelves but pretty much everyone else in the urban fantasy genre gets stuck in Horror, regardless of how accurate that is. The Night/Day/Twilight/Last Watch series is under Horror as well, even though it seems to be no more or less Horror-oriented than Dresden.
 
That's a really interesting fact Psylent. And I think the trend is only going to get stronger - “True Blood,” the HBO series based on Charlaine Harris' Southern Vampire books is, according to the New York Times :“steadily increased in stature to become the cable network’s most popular series since ‘The Sopranos’ and ‘Sex and the City,’” (http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/true-blood-shows-ratings-growth-for-hbo/) A lot of friends/colleagues who I know that aren't really into fantasy of any kind have gone out to buy these books after the series aired.

Harris's back list has been selling very well. I'd expect her next book to be #1. Her last two were both #6.

So, could the next big seller be one of these ladies? Queens rather than kings or "fantasy"? Or do they not fit the genre according to the original post?

I think were focusing on Epic Fantasy, otherwise we'd be talking about who will be the next J.K. Rowling or Stephenie Meyers:eek:
 
I had no idea he was that popular. I had hardly seen his name mentioned until a about a year and a half ago and since then everyone seems to be gushing about his Dresden novels. Was he a big thing on the Horror/urban fantasy scene before this and only just attracted mainstrean fantasy readers lately?:confused:

The only place in australia where i've actually scene his Dresden novels was in a Borders store. I've yet to see them in the other chain stores which is strange considering his popularity.
I know I'm quoting from a few spots ago Chris, but yeah, Butcher's been growing in popularity very steadily here in the US over the past few years. The sixth (or seventh) made the jump from original paperback to original hardcover, and the publisher is re-releasing the earlier books in Hardcover. Much like Tor did with The Eye of the World. Also with Butcher, the man is a writing machine. Literally. He releases one Dresden novel per year, and for the past four or five years a new book in his Codex Alera series. The quality of the Dresden novels hasn't really dipped, if anything, they remain quite high. Orbit (I think) in the UK seems to be doing very well with the Dresden books, too. So yeah, I think Butcher is the next it guy. But of course, there's this whole conundrum:

ChrisW said:
I don't know. Do UF/PR readers consider themselves to be reading fantasy in the fantasy genre or do they consider themselves to be in there own seperate genre? Do they share the same shelf space? I know here in Aus they don't.
They are all shelved together, but UF/PR is EXPLODING over here in the US, as I'm sure it is elsewhere.
 
Well, okay, since no one else wants to step up to the plate, I guess I'll have to do it for the greater good. It's a hard path to walk, but someone's gotta do it! So start buying my books by the bucketload. Go ahead. I can take it. :D

(I am of course joking...)
 
I'm way late into this thread, but to answer the original question I would answer, "No one, I hope." The endless, epic, saga, questing fantasy series is a trend that needs to slow, stop or find some other way to not become the convention on the matter.

That having been said, if they must be replaced with someone, I would hope it is with authors writing series of higher quality. I do not intend to snub Goodkind or Jordan, the phenomena had to have something of a beginning, but if I'm trapped in an extended, multi-decade series again, I would vote for Erikson or Martin.
 
Except that it is a snub. Jordan trumps both. I hope fantasists have it in them to figure out why. If not the genre is in danger. We need more Jordans not less.
 
Jordan trumps both. I hope fantasists have it in them to figure out why. If not the genre is in danger. We need more Jordans not less.

Except that this is merely your opinion and not fact.
 
Captain Obvious to the rescue!

Yes, it's his or her opinion. And? There’s very little in this thread that isn’t an opinion.

I'm not so sure the person sees it that way, hence my comment.

*goes off to rescue others*
 
I'm not so sure the person sees it that way, hence my comment.

*goes off to rescue others*

Only my opinion elicited a comment? Aw shucks, I feel so special for your particular concern for me and selective application of commentary. But don't worry your little head about it, I'm perfectly aware of my opinion and how well-considered it is. Indeed in the absence of any expressed opinion from you, I don't even see a reason to change it one jot. Your assistance is not required.
 
Except that it is a snub.

No, trust me, I know what I intended. I've purchased all of Jordan's books, and I'll be getting the final installment(s), but as is widely seen throughout forums like this one, quality may have suffered for the sake of quantity.
 
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No, trust me, I know what I intended. I've purchased all of Jordan's books, and I'll be getting the final installment(s), but as is widely seen throughout forums like this one, quality may have suffered for the sake of quantity.

Mostly what I've seen in forum discussions regarding the topic are statements of complaint about certain aspects of WoT and stated preference from some posters for Erikson and Martin. Despite this I see little with respect to why anyone should consider Erikson's or Martin's series "higher quality". Now I don't mind if this is what you believe. Really I don't. But it would be interesting to actually see someone commit to such a stand and then methodically explain it by comparing the works in question rather than simply damning Jordan with faint praise or such a litany of complaints that an outside party would be surprised to learn that the malcontent still plans to pick up the next book.

Of course no one is obligated to give such an explanation, but this is a discussion forum after all. Furthermore if Erikson's and Martin's series are to be held in highest esteem and considered the fantasy standards, it bears understanding what qualities they possess that earn them such pride of place, whether those qualities are beneficial or inimical, and what they portend for the future direction of the fantasy genre.
 
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Mostly what I've seen in forum discussions regarding the topic are statements of complaint about certain aspects of WoT and stated preference from some posters for Erikson and Martin. Despite this I see little with respect to why anyone should consider Erikson's or Martin's series "higher quality". Now I don't mind if this is what you believe. Really I don't. But it would be interesting to actually see someone commit to such a stand and then methodically explain it by comparing the works in question rather than simply damning Jordan with faint praise or such a litany of complaints that an outside party would be surprised to learn that the malcontent still plans to pick up the next book.

"Faint praise?" Maybe.

"...a litany of complaints that an outside part would be surprised that the malcontent [me? malcontent? c'mon now] still plans to pick up the next book?" Hardly. That's a fairly exaggerated and melodramatic summary of my posting on the matter.

Of course no one is obligated to give such an explanation,...

Bingo. Opinions, after all.....

...but this is a discussion forum after all. Furthermore if Erikson's and Martin's series are to be held in highest esteem and considered the fantasy standards, it bears understanding what qualities they possess that earn them such pride of place, whether those qualities are beneficial or inimical, and what they portend for the future direction of the fantasy genre.

Alright, I'll attempt the explanation. This might be an endeavor for someone else however, since while I read Erikson's and Martin's series, I am certainly not their biggest advocate.

By way of comparison, Martin has deeper characters than Goodkind or Jordan. Erikson's characters are more of a push with Jordan's, but still better than Goodkind's. The worlds of Erikson and Martin are better than those of Goodkind or Jordan. None of which are particularly lyrical, so I'm not going to bother with prose. On the matter of plot, suspense, etc., Erikson and Martin are, again, ahead of Jordan and Goodkind. In terms of action, Erikson has the most while Jordan and Martin might be even and Goodkind, well, you know. Jordan gets the nod when it comes to a magic system while Martin has to get a special acknowledgement for limiting magic and keeping it from being the cure-all to difficult problems, or surmounting insanely impossible odds. Erikson is far more unique and innovative than any of the others in terms of creatures, races and cultures than the rest. As far as the progression of a story goes, along with its associated level of predictability, Martin and Erikson best both Jordan and Goodkind.

So, there's the explanation, but as I initially posted in this thread, I would hope that no one succeeds Goodkind or Jordan in this particular medium since the "never ending" series would seem to be something that ends up sacrificing quality for quantity.
 

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