A Sci Fi Reading Odyssey - 50 Novels

I loved Gateway and I also read the other books in the series, which may not be quite as good and original but that were also very enjoyable for me.

I haven't read The World of Null A, but...
Thanks, Farseer. Wondering now if I should do World of Null A. Seems quite a few have commented that Van Vogt's writing is not very good, though a few disagree... I might put it on the Alternate pile... But will need something to slot into its place, Grey Lensman? Open to suggestions.

Criteria
1. Author not already on list
2. Published 1935-89
3. Major or fairly major work, well-known, or "underappreciated classic"
4. Not part of series (or reads as a totally independent work)
5. Unlike others on list.. (max variety of themes, styles)
6. Not too long (200 -450 pages max)
 
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And That is why I recommended the Heinlein story "Gulf" as a kind of counterpoint to Stapledon take on the concept...
Thank you Windy. Will definitely check out the story after my novel Odyssey (And many others...)
 
But will need something to slot into its place, Grey Lensman? Open to suggestions.

Criteria
1. Author not already on list
2. Published 1935-89
3. Major or fairly major work, well-known, or "underappreciated classic"
4. Not part of series (or reads as a totally independent work)
5. Unlike others on list.. (max variety of themes, styles)
6. Not too long (200 -450 pages max)

Some ideas:

The Stars My Destination (Alfred Bester)

1984 (George Orwell) or Brave New World (Aldous Huxley)

A Canticle For Leibowitz (Walter M. Miller Jr.)

Mission Of Gravity (Hal Clement)

Who? (Algis Budrys)

More Than Human (Theodore Sturgeon)

The Forever War (Joe Haldeman)

The Dragon Masters (Jack Vance)

Native Tongue (Suzette Haden Elgin)

Babel-17 (Samuel R. Delany)

Flowers for Algernon (Daniel Keyes)

Slaughterhouse-Five (Kurt Vonnegut)

Dawn (Octavia E. Butler) if you absolutely want a standalone choose Kindred instead, but this is so good... Lilith's Brood collects the trilogy strating with Dawn, but that goes beyond your page limit

Dune (Frank Herbert) goes beyond your page limit, but it's very influential

Replay (Ken Grimwood)

Blood Music (Greg Bear)

The Warrior’s Apprentice (Lois McMaster Bujold)

Ubik (Philip K. Dick)
 
Some ideas...
Thanks, neat list and much I'm unfamiliar with! Will keep it in mind especially when I get beyond the "beginner" stage Sci Fi novel reading.

Ordered a few more books, including several from your list. :)
  • The stars,...Bester (as per your recom, others)
  • The demolished man, Bester (another major of his)
  • Forever war, Haldeman (this just keeps popping up!)
  • I Robot, Asimov (let's forget the dumb films and take a fresh look at this!)
  • City, Simak (as per Mark)
  • Babel 17 (want a Zelazny (meant Delany) on my list. @Hobbit any comments on this as a choice?
(added, opps! Babel 17 is Delany, not Zelazny, haha..)

Remember I'm in a bind because I'm trying to avoid knowing anything about each book before I read it (as much as reasonable), so I don't go to Wikipedia or anywhere to find out about their story summaries or critical reception, etc. That's why I pester the group instead of doing my own research... apologies,
 
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Ooh Zelazny. Really like his writing but more for his short stories than novels. Lots of people like Lord of Light, though I was less enthused myself.Suggest that, though (Nebula nominee & Hugo Winner.) I liked This Immortal more, if I remember right, though it is an earlier work. Also known as ...And Call Me Conrad.
 
Ooh Zelazny. Really like his writing but more for his short stories than novels. Lots of people like Lord of Light, though I was less enthused myself.Suggest that, though (Nebula nominee & Hugo Winner.) I liked This Immortal more, if I remember right, though it is an earlier work. Also known as ...And Call Me Conrad.
Thanks for recoms, noted. Made a boo-boo there, meant "Delany."

1. Are Lord of light and This immortal firmly Sci Fi? (not fantasy?) or in between?
2. Read Babel-17? (Delany)
3. Which Bester recom. Demolished Man or The stars my destination?)
4. What think of simmons, Hyperion? Read it?
 
OK.
Lord of Light & This Immortal are generally regarded as SF. Immortal is set after a nuclear holocaust. Lord of Light is set in a world where gods are human and is less SFnal, but was meant to be deliberately unclear whether it was SF or Fantasy.

Stars my Destination is generally seen as better than Demolished Man, but I liked both. Having to pick one though I would go for Destination - classic revenge story.


IMO Babel 17's not a bad place to start with Delany. It's short but dense - read it a couple of years ago, in fact I may have a review I never published around somewhere - might have to dig it out. More accessible than some of his other later work. Dhalgren has put me off anything else by him, which I know is wrong, as he's clearly literate and intelligent, but perhaps not for my tastes.

Hyperion is good but may be longer than your remit, especially when it is really two books divided into one. I prefer Endymion (also two books) but I realise I am in a minority there.
 
Thanks, neat list and much I'm unfamiliar with! Will keep it in mind especially when I get beyond the "beginner" stage Sci Fi novel reading.

Ordered a few more books, including several from your list. :)
  • The stars,...Bester (as per your recom, others)
  • The demolished man, Bester (another major of his)
  • Forever war, Haldeman (this just keeps popping up!)
  • I Robot, Asimov (let's forget the dumb films and take a fresh look at this!)
  • City, Simak (as per Mark)
  • Babel 17 (want a Zelazny (meant Delany) on my list. @Hobbit any comments on this as a choice?
(added, opps! Babel 17 is Delany, not Zelazny, haha..)

Remember I'm in a bind because I'm trying to avoid knowing anything about each book before I read it (as much as reasonable), so I don't go to Wikipedia or anywhere to find out about their story summaries or critical reception, etc. That's why I pester the group instead of doing my own research... apologies,
All of those are great reads. While Babel-17 is great, I usually recommend Nova or The Einstein Intersection as a place to start with Delany. I think they are a little more accessible to the average reader. However, you don't seem to be the average reader so you shouldn't have any problem.
 
...I would love to see someone do a similar essay into the genre that we discuss here.
Cool idea. Loved R. Chandler as a kid... would be worth a re-read.

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@Windshadow Didn't read your post very carefully... apologies. Would definitely consider an essay like that, when I get to the "comparison" stage... (I even have some ideas already..) Artificially I'm considering each separately now and to keep the reviews "standalone" I decided not to contrast them within the reviews. Of course would enjoy reading anyone else's essay too!

Interesting essay you linked to. Who's the author? If I were to get the chance to write any additional essays after my odyssey here... Hmm...

"Narrative Techniques of Time -- in 4 Cold War Novels of Alien Invasion"

It would need to be very narrow in order to validly prove any thesis, because I have no great knowledge of sci fi from which to make true-sounding generalizations. (like those in the linked essay) I will see if any bright ideas occur. If you have any observations on the books on the list that might seed an essay, or you'd like me to think about, do share. :) Anyone else?

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See now Chandler himself wrote the essay... Thought that was just the title initially. :)
 
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Childhood’s End by Arthur C. Clarke [1953]
Ballantine / Del Rey
212 pages
Reader Response by Matt H. [v 1.5] from Reading Odyssey
Rating: Has good points but not entirely recommended

Story Summary

An alien race known as the “Overlords” appear suddenly in enormous spaceships hovering over Earth’s major cities. They have intervened at a critical moment, preventing war, strife and possible nuclear destruction. Of vastly superior intelligence, it seems they bring peace to humankind. The Overlords help humanity to stabilize and improve civilization through advanced science and occasional benign political interference. They have a unifying and pacifying effect on humanity, and quickly create a kind of utopia. A few humans oppose the Overlords and form resistance movements. However Earth’s new shepherds prove patient and tolerant as well as unassailable.

A milestone in the story is when the Overlords reveal themselves physically. Their appearance is very unexpected, but the human race has evolved psychologically and is able to accept it. Slowly, and by stages the shocking nature of the Overlords true mission on earth is revealed. When the climax arrives, there are unimaginable physical, psychological and metaphysical cataclysms.

Critical Reader Response

This is a book with a daring and original underlying plot-twist. On the bright side are sections of engaging writing and intriguing ideas, however, considered together these section don’t quite add up to a pleasing whole. Aspects of this book are certainly worthwhile and enjoyable to read, but a larger proportion was, for me, fragmented and indistinct. Unfortunately the “good ending” didn’t quite compensate for the treatment I received getting there.

With each major time break in the narrative a new set of characters are introduced. There are quite a few, but there is a lack of distinctiveness to them. The introduction of each new setting also makes the plot choppy, and the story more of a chore to follow. The changing characters are pretty shallowly drawn and don’t help to anchor things. An example is “George”, a fairly major figure. However I couldn’t really tell you a thing about him, least of all anything about his feelings or motivation. The rest of the cast is similarly flat. They are mostly props for the plot with little life of their own. The writer’s sense of humor is rarely a good thing in the mouths of the characters, doing more to spoil the illusion that to give depth or sympathy. Suffering most is the characterization of the Overlords. By their dialog they seem incongruously human, even mundane at times which doesn’t work well for supposedly majestic aliens.

Control of the narrative tone is occasionally a problem. Eventually the jumps between third-person point of view and cosmic omniscience add to the disorderly feeling.

A raw declarativeness about the nature of humankind is bold in places, but is generally ridden too far into interesting but possibly disposable digression. At times the story seems to become a vehicle for various loosely-related, discursively presented observations. Many have little ultimate relation to the story. Others are ill-fittingly frivolous, glib, or logically wacky. There are a few real “wincers” in there too. A desire to predict the progressive wonders of the future is evident. Admittedly there are some impressive hits, but plenty of impressive misses too. A belief seems supported (to me erroneous and creepy) that strict scientific planning, social mathematics and social engineering are the rightful tools that the ruling elite must wield on individuals to create a utopia or to address problems here and now. Within the story both the Overlords and the humans have this view and act upon it. Once more the promulgative urge eventually lessens the focus and impact of the novel and this is even more germane than it being dated or questionable in content.

The narrator’s assertions also run contrary to the final overall message delivered by the plot. But even within the narrator’s statements it’s a little confusing. Utopia’s nemesis is stagnation and boredom which is reasonable. And it’s proposed that scratching and clawing is mankind’s healthy and natural state (one almost hears James T. Kirk here). However it’s also asserted that “the stars are not for man.” The universe is too vast and terrible for our tiny minds. Why exactly? As the supernatural is introduced, we learn surprisingly that the powers of mystics are real, they’re just really bad at explaining them. If telepathy exists, so do poltergeists and leprechauns. It’s all the same stuff!

Normally when a story stops, dwells and dilates on something, describing it in colorful detail or soaring language, the reader can be assured that it has major significance in the plot. That assumption would be wrong in this case. Several major side-themes, sections and scenes of the book never satisfyingly became integral parts of the plot. One example, in light of the ending, what was the point of the island colony? Nothing was proved or disproved. The radical nature of the final twist negates or at least sits in-harmoniously with the other major question. Who is right about the correct path to happiness, Overlords or humans? Much of the book is dedicated to that irrelevant-rendered question.

As I hope I conveyed, it was not all bad by any means. The physical appearance of the Overlords was a stroke of brilliance. The way in which the occult was introduced was also genius, though suffered flaws as I mentioned. But most of all, the payload delivered at the end was effectively terrifying and daringly unhappy.

Nevertheless for me the wandering, indistinct and at times unpracticed parts of the book dominated my overall impression. One can image a far more disciplined and streamlined implementations of this story’s basic concept. That, I believe could be a truly great book.
 
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Hey, Finished my review of Childhood's End. It's HERE. I'm sure it will need some edits.

As always comments, dissent, assent welcome and appreciated! :)

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lol, glad I didn't read Mark's review before I wrote mine... Please challenge it! I may defend, but willing to have my eyes opened too if you can.
 
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I read this one a long time ago, so I'm afraid the details are not fresh in my mind. However, my general feeling was in line with the review. This is a very famous novel, but I wasn't too impressed with the execution. I wasn't sorry I read it, because it has some interesting elements, but I did not really enjoy it. I think Clarke has written much better than this.
 
lol, glad I didn't read Mark's review before I wrote mine... Please challenge it!
You have to remember that I'm a Clarke fan - along with Heinlein and Asimov it was where I started much of my early SF reading. I like his 'colourless' style but it's not for everyone. It is that often British trait of getting the job done with the least fuss that appeals to me. It is delberately not hysterical (some might say 'colourful' ;) ), and by underplaying big elements actually emphasises those when you think about it. But its not for everyone.

Much of his work is about the big ideas around the story rather than the characters - especially his early work, of which this is one. It is of a time, and I'm happy to accept that. (The lack of women is noticeable, for example, but at the time of writing rather predictable.)

There's a lot of Childhood's End that fits into the 1950's idea/cliche of scientists, politicians etc being cool and collecting evidence/making decisions, rather than being over-dramatic. Putting it into context, I feel that it's very much part of the aftermath of WW2, with the idea of rebuilding for a better future and the need to create order out of chaos.

But at the same time there's a fair bit going on below the surface - the big ending, whilst initially seeming positive with a sense of awe (again, often Clarke's stance on such things) may actually be Lovecraftian, with a touch of cosmic horror about the Overmind.

Who is right about the correct path to happiness, Overlords or humans?
Exactly - there are no clear cut endings and such elements are left for the reader to decide - There is no easy answer- and that's what makes it interesting to me.

There are no easy solutions, but if we are to progress, and who knows what the right decision is, choices have to be made. And by making such decisions on a cosmic scale it shows that as a race we are ready to make progress, as we must if we are not to wallow in our own limited area of the universe.

Again, bearing in mind what was being published at the same time (1950-53), in my opinion this is miles above much else - Bester excepted, perhaps. It is the big picture, the grander view, that things could be better and will be better(?) in the future.

It introduces the idea of Human Uplift - that our future depends upon us as a species growing up and being mature enough to cope with the consequences of being part of a much bigger picture, which I liked. (Advice that would be sensible today, IMO.)

It's not my favourite Clarke, but I can see why some would see it as such. It has many of Clarke's ideas developed on in later writing - uplift/evolution, an optimism into the future, even folklore & religion, all with a trademark humour and - dare I say it - British sensibility.

M.
 
I like Clarke and read Childhood's End a while ago so it was interesting to see your take Matt. I remember the shock I felt at the reveal of the Overlords and then further revealing that they were merely drones for an even greater species. What struck me most is the sadness I felt at the end of the book and how it lingered with me for a while. I think this may have been Clarke's intention all along. Childhood's End wasn't Clarke's best but, for me at least, it had a significant emotional impact.

I like your review Matt and your recommendation with reservation.
 
You have to remember that I'm a Clarke fan...

Hi Mark,

Thanks for that response!

Goes to show what a difference “context” can make in a reading. I read the book purposefully out of context, not considering his other work, other SF of the time or who Clarke is. You or course see it from the perspective of a Clarke- knowledgeable, and genre-knowledgeable reader.

I am re-thinking the word “colorless”, not to make the review more positive but because it’s not exactly what I meant. (guess I got lazy on that one).

Also I think it’s possible for a book or a story to be great without deep characterization. I acknowledge that the book has considerable value. My problem was mostly the “packaging”, consistency and focus. Still I contend though, that there is a roughness to the writing in places.

I think the ending, though brilliant, is hard to harmonize with the rest of the book. Like I said it renders the discussion on “human happiness” irrelevant, and almost everything else that happens. But such is the nature of a grand conception like that.

Working on dialing-in the review a little more... some light changes in progress.

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Minor tweaks to review complete

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Also, I have no problem at all with a stripped-down, no-nonsense, "calmness prevails" type of story. Remember, I liked Kraken a lot. :)
 
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...Childhood's End wasn't Clarke's best but, for me at least, it had a significant emotional impact.
Yep, I agree with that. It did have impact and I felt a certain sadness too. And unquestionably that is the best aspect of the book. As I wrote... "the payload delivered at the end was effectively terrifying and daringly unhappy."
 
@Vince W , I should have said more honestly, that impact was quite shocking, frightening and sad! It stuck with me afterwards too (a testament to an effective book)

Maybe the problem with End is not that it's not good enough, but it's too good. :) To me there's a disparity between the quality of the underlying concept/ending and the rest of the book. I sort of feel it deserves a tighter more carefully worded story for its "vehicle."
 
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Roadside Picnic by Arkady & Boris Strugatsky (1972)
Chicago Review Press
193 pages
Reader Response by Matt H. [v 1.1] from Reading Odyssey
Rating: Recommended, but possibly narrower in appeal

Story Summary

About 15 years before the story begins, aliens visit Earth in several locations. When they depart they leave behind areas of blighted land, called “zones” which contain many dangers, traps, odd and deadly phenomena poorly understood by science. The story concerns one such zone and various attempts to enter it in order to salvage the valuable and technologically wondrous artifacts left by the aliens.

The story centers on Redrick Schuhart (“Red”), by day a worker at the institute that studies the zone, by night he is a “stalker”, one who illegally enters the zone for contraband artifacts to sell on the black market. Other characters include novice stalkers (they don’t last long), Red’s rough friends, supervisors and generals associated with the institute and hierarchy, as well as local black market kingpins. The effects of the zone don’t stay confined within it. Its influence is felt in various other horrific instances of disaster, re-animation and mutation among the surrounding populace.

Critical Reader Response

This book has feeling; it has flavor. It reminds me of a very good Russian novel that happens to have Sci Fi themes and situations artfully woven into it. The portrayal of the abnormal-within-normal is superb in this book. The setting seems to be very much our world, although a version that emphasizes corruption. Weird and pernicious phenomena are domesticated with nicknames and semi-mythologized in a highly plausible and grimly amusing way. Its large, coarse, gritty characters are deep and haunting. Internal and external maelstroms of good and evil are everywhere. Overall it has the mark of an expert hand.

The location is a town in close proximity to the zone. The identity of the country remains unclear. It’s a harsh, exploitative, violent world of smugglers, fences, scumbags and prophets. (Pretty Russian) Alcohol is huge in the story. The climaxing psychological crisis of Red is depicted magnificently as he is ripped by profound questions about his own life and life in general while at the same time enduring the horrors of the zone. The writing is mean and brutal and rather gorgeous. Admirably, the book is also unmarred by any impression of political slant, morally simplified message or anything of the sort. It is artfully and beautifully nihilistic.

The Strugatskies make the zone terrifying. It is both immensely vivid and at the same time nightmarishly undefined. Quite a trick. Reading about it is gripping and the description is fresh and real. It does not waver in consistency or significantly lose its momentum at any time. In fact the tone and tenor of all aspects of the novel are highly controlled and virtually perfectly maintained.

On the smaller, less significant downside, for this reader, the book was not always completely clear in its minor characters, plot and dialog. Occasionally I lost track of some things, and I got a little muddled or was dogged by the feeling I missed something I shouldn’t have. But this was more than compensated by the book’s other merits and the fact that the overall thrust of the story was easily clear enough to follow. The book is a translation and apparently an excellent one. Every now and then you hit a perhaps intentionally vague phrase or word choice. A result of un-translatability?

One might legitimately feel the ending leaves some significant loose ends. I had some of that feeling immediately upon finishing it. But it achieved a wholeness that definitely grew with time. It is a book that begs more than many for a second reading. Of course it’s possible a reader just might not like that Russian novel flavor that is so distinctive in this book. It’s a serious work in the end, a grown-up novel, not ultimately an adventure story, and it doesn’t have an adventure story ending. It’s possible a reader not expecting or wanting this from Sci Fi might be less taken by the book as a whole.
 
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Hey guys. Finished by review of Roadside Picnic. I will inevitably be tuning it up with some edits. It's a little short so hope to add at least another para. Comments welcome as always!
 

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