Just curious

[juzzza]

I was on a plane once, travelling back from Thailand and I had this awesome lightning bolt thought, you know the kind... It makes you sit-up straight in your chair and look around for someone to tell. My friend was NOT impressed that I woke her up to tell her my revelation and I didn't think the air stewardess would be that interested... So I wrote it down.

I have been dying to write this theory into fiction but have never got round to it. It's about GOD so I'm gonna lay it on you guys. For a while I was sure that it was a message rather than just an idea, but now I know it was just my imagination sneaking up on me and slapping something interesting on me in a moment of clarity.

I was reading an article on robotics and part of it focused on the author's predictions for inventions and the giant leaps we are going to take in A.I. and some of the dangers and fears associated with the technology.

I loved the idea and was a little scared of the fact that we are going to create these mega-beings, stronger & more intelligent than ourselves. These entities will be immune to human disease won't die of old age and won't need to eat, sleep or reproduce. It is easy to imagine the old human race dying out eventually, even if these mega-beings didn't decide to eradicate us themselves!!!

Now imagine the human race dies out and a few million years pass. These beings still remember this race that created them. They may figure that if we created them, we must be superior in every way... We would be Gods, creators of their universe. We after all, gave them life, intelligence and the future. They simply could not imagine us as weak, bags of blood that need to eat, breath and reproduce to survive as a race. They would probably deduce that we vanished to a higher level of existence and still watch over them from above guiding their paths.

So what if there is no GOD as we believe him/her to be? What if a race of beings created us as their superiors and died out? Maybe alien collections of energy that felt the way forward was to create solid forms that could reproduce and inhabit planets? What if they created us then died out and all we were left with was this feeling deep down in our hearts, minds and souls that something created us but has now left us to our own devices?

Just a thought... Thanks for reading it through to the end.

 

[kahnovitch]

Interesting Juzzza. Reminds me of Zecharia Sitchin.
I won't spam on about him as I've done it several times already in this forum, but if anyone's interested do a search on him.

 

[Sammie]

*goosebumps*

J.......you should definitely work that into a story...

 

[juzzza]

Yea, I just have to finish my taboo piece and record a couple of albums first... Not to mention sort my love life out.

Thanks though

 

[ezchaos]

I rarely post in this section, but this topic looked interesting so here I am.

Nobody in my family was very religious. The few that did go to church were Methodists. I did go to Sunday school and regular church services a few of times, but that was about it.

I do believe there is a Creator(s) of some sort, but I'm not sure what role, if any, he/she/them takes in our lives. I definitley don't believe in any kind of heaven or hell other than the ones that we humans make for ourselves. However, I do believe there is an after-life and possibly reincarnation.

I love nature, so I tend to see the outdoors as my church. My motto is live and let live. Be good to each other and do what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. My philosphy kind of goes along with what some of the pagan religions believe in.

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by juzzza
Yea, I just have to finish my taboo piece and record a couple of albums first... Not to mention sort my love life out.

Thanks though

Juzz it was a compliment, not an order!! Do what suits you best .

 

[Mamb]

I come from a Hindu family, and I suppose I am a Hindu myself. I have been taught a lot by my Grandfather and by my parents. I don't really practise religion though. However, I do find that belief in God (of what kind, I am not sure) comes naturally to me (don't mean to sound preachy), and I cannot be convinced otherwise.

 

[saintjon]

I like that theory Juzza, that is a good one!!!

So how does it apply in your everyday life? Since thinking of that, do you see the world differently?

 

[Shanoncia]

Just a thought... Thanks for reading it through to the end.

Thanks for taking the time to type it all out for us love. Interesting theory... I ask you this however, if the robots would remember us, why can't we remember those who created us?

 

[Shanoncia]

IMO faith is very powerful, whether you are religios or not!

To beleive it's true is to make it true, to not beleive it's true is to make it not true.

 

[Aik Haw]

juzzza:-
A most interesting theory!! Certainly, this could happen especially if the machine had humanlike intelligence instead of the pretty much incorruptible barring hardware, fragmentation or viral failure storage system they more or less have now.

I think you will be most interested to note that some Buddhist see the Devas as instrumental in the "uplift" of humans from "beast" to "higher sapiency!!" A Buddhist sutra recalls a Goddess whom we call Jinguli, Mistress of the Snakes and Mother of Humanity, who while meditating on the "a high mountain overlooking the great forest plain" foresaw that a "small swinging beast" she saw lumbering before her will in time result in beings that have high sapiency and are capable of producing offsprings in many hundreds of millions of years from than who will "conquer the deepest sea and the moon and the stars."( Note:- Rohaloka Sutra ) This race of beast will niche this world finally with the sapient beast whose spiritual status parallel on other "Saha worlds around many suns" is called "manasa" or what we call humans ( note, in many other worlds in Buddhist myth, manasas do not look like us at all. Some are noted to be "lumbering trees," ( Note:- Lotus Sutra )

Jinguli however knew that not all the Gods liked the idea of manasas coming to this world since majority of previous worlds were "entroubled" by their own manasas, and many though neutral certainly would not like to speed up an inevitable process. So instead, she retreated from High Meru and hidden amongst the "beast" as one of them, slowly uplifting, teaching, guiding, breeding, selecting them for over twelve million years. (Note:- First Buddha Sutra ) In time of course, you can't hide from Indra and Indra and Bhumi secretly helped Jinguli's little experiment!!

Of course, the Gods we now call the Asuras were outraged after humans started the first forest fire, and lo, the pantheon were looking at the dreaded race of manasas, and hence the war of the Gods which started when the Asuras raised the ice of the spinning poles to march against Jambudivpa!!( But if you read the myth, this is not the first time the Asuras did it, but they really got banged hard this time because they were infringing on a lot of powerful Deva's projects!!)

 

[kahnovitch]

Originally posted by Shanoncia


Thanks for taking the time to type it all out for us love. Interesting theory... I ask you this however, if the robots would remember us, why can't we remember those who created us?

Maybe because we were very primitive at the time (like we ain't now ) and had no way of recording it so that the knowledge of our ancestors could be passed on.

 

[Aik Haw]

ezchaos:-
I am going out now but my friend behind me said that maybe you should look into one branch of NeoPaganism, Wiccanism. She said that because you believe in a Creator, no heaven or hell, reincarnation and see the outdoors as a temple and the philosophy "Be good to each other and do what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else."

She also said ignore the ritualistic bells and cauldrons, most modern day Wiccans have abandoned the expensive rituals and riff raffs and have gone back to the bare observance of nature and her rites, as people in the old days would.

<And no Rach, I am not buying you a new wool blankie >

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Shanoncia
Interesting theory... I ask you this however, if the robots would remember us, why can't we remember those who created us?

If i read Juzz's post correctly, his suggestion is that maybe we DO remember them, albeit indistinctly; they have gave rise to our concept of God. (or Gods, depending on your Faith ). In a sense, they ARE God - and so shall we be.

Am i following the plot here J? I hope so, cos i like this!

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Shanoncia
To beleive it's true is to make it true, to not beleive it's true is to make it not true.

The former i strongly agree with. The latter is somewhat of an ostrich technique tho, no?

 

[Shanoncia]

Hmm... okay I get ya Sammie, I see what he meant now.

So is the latter somewhat of an ostrich technique tho... who can say?

 

[Sammie]

Well - i just can't think of an example where NOT believing something made it cease to exist/be true.

Actually - i can...........but i don't think the fairies in Peter Pan count, somehow!

 

[kahnovitch]

Originally posted by Sammie
Well - i just can't think of an example where NOT believing something made it cease to exist/be true.

I remember a roving gang of advertising sign monsters from an episode of "The Simpsons Halloween Special" in which this was the only way to destroy them.

 

[Shanoncia]

Well... I can remember times when I was four and I could swear I heard breathing in my room... and I could swear that I saw movement in the shadows I would sit up and say "I don't beleive in you." and somehow.., 'it' always went away.

Yes, yes I was a troubled child...

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by kahnovitch
I remember a roving gang of advertising sign monsters from an episode of "The Simpsons Halloween Special" in which this was the only way to destroy them.

Again, not exactly viable in Real Life, is it, K?